My view on why ROH cant get to the next level. **Contains TV Spoilers**

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My view on why ROH cant get to the next level. **Contains TV Spoilers**

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I originally posted this on Squared Circle, but a friend mentioned it would be cool to see the ROH World feedback. Its pretty long, I know. I just feel that ROH could be more if the powers that be invested in logic, continuity and episodic TV.

I really want ROH to break through in the US. But after another disappointing PPV and follow up TV taping, Ive decided to write out what I am feeling.

I figured it would be easy to look at this past weekends Death Before Dishonor PPV and TV, put together a path from what the PPV was telling us and how it plays out to TV.

PPV Results

Number One Contender’s Match The Kingdom (Matt Taven, Vinny Marseglia & TK O’Ryan) vs. Bully Ray & The Briscoes Winners: The Briscoes & Bully Ray

Projection: Kingdom is dead. They cant buy wins, won the six man titles and even with TK’s injury, they are still a joke.

Bubba makes himself the focus of an angle as they do the Briscoe’s heel turn 2 years too late.



Chuck Taylor vs. Marty Scurll Winner: Marty Scurll

Projection: Marty never got a rematch for the TV title, should logically get a rematch coming out of this.

Chuck is supposed to be a tag team wrestler here, so losing doesn’t really hurt him. A chance to establish him as a singles threat was missed.

Marty gets a win over a tag team wrestler. Nothing gained, nothing lost. Screams "We just needed something for these guys to do"


Las Vegas Street Fight: Jay White vs. Punishment Martinez Winner: Punishment Martinez

Projection: Punishment gets his first big win in ROH, on PPV. His push has been up and down, booked inconsistently, but now he should get on track. He has 7 singles wins and 10 singles loses in ROH in 2017. Its time to shit or get off the pot with him.

Jay White needs to buy a ticket back to Japan asap. ROH booking dropped the ball big time on one of the better prospects they’ve had historically. White has the look, talent and ability to be a main event talent in ROH. He had a half ass “feud” with Jay Briscoe and a feud with Punishment Martinez. Imn sure he is begging Gedo to bring him back to Japan.



ROH World Six Man Tag Team Championship Match Bully Ray & The Briscoes vs. The Hung Bucks ( Matt,Nick Jackson, and Hangman Page) Winners: The Hung Bucks

Projection: Bucks do what they want, end of story. ROH doesn’t bother to explain their angles from “Being The Elite” but use them for PPV. Yet another example of how ROH cant use something simple to their advantage in hopes of appealing to a mass audience.



Last Man Standing Match: Jay Lethal vs. Silas Young Winner: Silas Young

Projection: Silas should be ready to challenge seriously for a title. He came out stronger from a program with Bobby Fish, now he beats Lethal. He should get a serious push to a championship.

Lethal is Lethal. He is one of the best today, but has done everything he can in ROH and his only use now is for him to put over others who need it. Maybe putting him in a program with Punishment Martinez will help get Martinez ready for a main event position.



ROH World Tag Team Championship Match The Young Bucks (Matt & Nick Johnson) (c) vs. Motor City Machine Guns ( Chris Sabin & Alex Shelley) Winners: The Motor City Machine Guns

Projections: Other than moves, no one really talks about MCMG. They aren’t personalities who can sell tickets. Involving Daniels & Kazarian felt like more of the same booking. ROH just blew off a 3 way program last September with the Young Bucks & MCMG in a Ladder War. MCMG need a fresh direction.

The Bucks deliver a great match, which is expected every time out. They should focus on really making the 6 man titles mean something. No real contenders for the 6 man title are visible, as ROH doesn’t use it in a serious manner. They could change it



ROH World Championship Cody vs. Minoru Suzuki Winner: Cody

Logic Gap: Minoru Suzuki comes in, having never wrestled in ROH and gets a title shot? Who did he beat to get a World Title shot?

Projection: Cody gets a win in another ok match, Dalton Castle should be on the horizon and a fun fresh direction

Suzuki will be back in October, maybe Suzuki choking out Hangman page in a vignette will set up Hung Bucks vs Suzuki Gun 6 man title match for the big Chicago show.


Lets see the TV direction!!!!


Show one --

Promo: Silas Young and Beer City Bruiser came out for a promo, selected Minoru Suzuki to challenge the Hung Bucks to a 6 man title match!

Logic gap: Silas put in all this work to get a big win over Jay Lethal, to AGAIN chase the ROH 6 man titles? Silas just defeated the most decorated champion in ROH history, wouldn’t he want an ROH World title shot or at the very least, an ROH TV Title shot? Silas, BCB & Minoru have never teamed, but they deserve a title shot?

This is one example of how ROH cannot capitalize on momentum. Suzuki teaming with anyone outside of Suzuki Gun shows a lack of NJPW product knowledge and lack of forward thinking to how these TV shows can help carry business to the October house shows with Suzuki Gun featured.

No one will be talking about Silas, BCB & Minoru Suzuki as a team, nor does it make sense for them to be together, no will go out of their way to watch that on TV. Major missed opportunity here.

Idea to keep momentum: What if Silas wanted Suzuki as a partner? Suzuki says no and Silas got offended. Silas challenges Suzuki and Silas gets a win on TV over Suzuki in a holy shit moment.



ROH World Television Champion Kenny King defeated Josh Woods to retain his title

After the match, King said that it was important to win the TV title in front of family. He's a fighting champion and will defend the title in every city. That led to Shane Taylor, Chuck Taylor, Punishment Martinez, and Mark Briscoe coming out separately. King would try to address them as they came out, but another guy would enter before he could.

King said he would wrestle any of them, noting that "this is my golden throne, and if you want some of this you'll have to bend the knee."

Logic gap:
Why didn’t KUSHIDA get a rematch? Why didn’t Marty Scurll get a title match? He still hasn’t received a singles rematch from his loss to Kushida back in May.

Suggestion: Maybe you have Scurll challenge Kenny for the title. Kenny is about to beat Marty and Cody shows up to help, Kushida charges out for the save. Kushida and Kenny shake hands.

Kushida co-signs Kenny as a babyface. Kenny didnt even officially turn babyface. They disbanded The Rebellion and somehow that just made Kenny a babyface.A missed opportunity, especially with the national TV exposure of The Bachelorette) Kenny & Marty can go into a program and post promo, Cody will challenge Kushida to a match later in the taping.



KUSHIDA and Scorpio Sky went to a no contest

KUSHIDA was over huge. After some early back and forth, Christopher Daniels came out with an air horn and Frankie Kazarian low blowed KUSHIDA from behind. The Addiction beat down both until Jay Lethal made the save.

Lethal told The Addiction that if they have a problem with ROH, they have a problem with him. He won't stand by while the company is disrespected. He called ROH the best company in the world and said he's not like guys who think the grass is greener elsewhere. He then challenged The Addiction to a tag match against him and KUSHIDA.

Logic Gap: Why would the Addiction attack Kushida? Why did KUSHIDA get a TV Title rematch? They interfered in the tag title match night before, indicating they are obsessed with the ROH Tag Titles. Attacking doesn’t bring them closer to a Tag Title match, attacking him doesn’t affect MCMG. Suggestion: Jay Lethal wrestles Scorpio Sky, goes over clean. Gives Lethal a win coming off a pretty big loss. Maybe have Lethal question himself, he is hurting after a brutal PPV match, he barely squeaks by Sky who he would beat easily otherwise.



Promo The Young Bucks (with their dad), Cody Rhodes, Brandi Rhodes, and Hangman Page entered, with Shane Taylor walking Brandi to the ring and Cody paying him in cash outside. Taylor stuck around outside the ring during their promo.

Matt Jackson started the promo off, asking the crowd if they're here to see ROH or a taping of Being the Elite. Cody announced that he's signing the "most lucrative contract in ROH history" before then signing it. Cody said he'll defend the title tonight while he's in a suit. He made people think Dalton Castle would be his opponent, but they soon realized it would be Cheeseburger.

Logic Gap on promo: If Cody was a heel and used the most lucrative contract line to develop heat with other long term baby faces who aren’t getting paid that well like Jay Briscoe, Mark Briscoe, Jay Lethal etc, then it would make sense. But that isn’t the case. It feels like this was done for ROH to pat themselves on the back and for more Being The Elite content (Since BTE has already aired the promo, weeks before ROH will).

ROH World Champion Cody defeated Cheeseburger to retain his title

Cheeseburger got a good pop as Cody introduced him as his opponent. The story of the match was Cody being cocky and almost losing, but he won by submission with the American Nightmare leg lock (an inverted figure four). He tried to get Cheeseburger to kiss his ring after, but Cheeseburger went for a handshake instead and Cody slapped him.

Taylor gave Cody his ring after the match, then Taylor carried Cheeseburger to the back.

Logic Gap: In what universe does Cheeseburger deserve an ROH Title shot? I guess in the case of being the bookers friend and head trainer of the ROH dojo.

Cheeseburger is 1-7 in 2017 in singles matches, but he is challenging for the ROH World title? How? Again I ask, what are the requirements for someone to get a title shot in ROH? It certainly isn’t winning matches and beating credible contenders.

Suggestion: Let Cheeseburger be a special appearance guy. His last appearance on TV was losing to Will Ferrara. Keep him in the ROH Dojo and have him make occasional appearances almost as a mascot.

Having Cody in a non-title match set up earlier with KUSHIDA, KUSHIDA vs Cody would have been much more appealing here, much more buzzworthy. It would have been a first time one on one match. Instead you waste your highest paid attraction against a guy 1/2 the size of most fans.

The Kingdom defeated Motor City Machine Guns & Jonathan Gresham

The crowd loved some of the big spots towards the end, but the finish came when Chris Sabin was rolled up by Matt Taven after being distracted and being hit with The Kingdom's staff.

Logic Gap: New World Tag Team Champions come out of the PPV and lose their first match. Kingdom pins MCMG, ROH’s predictable way of building contenders without building contenders.

Show two --

Marty Scurll defeated Jay White Both guys got chants early, but there were more for Scurll. The crowd liked the match a lot. Scurll won with a roll-up.

Logic Gap: None if this is used to build towards something. Marty should be chasing the TV Championship

Will Ferrara & Rhett Titus defeated The Tempura Boyz


Ferrara and Titus entered with outfits similar to the main characters from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. They did a solid impression of the characters while walking around.

The match was good and fast-paced. Ferrara and Titus won when Titus lifted Sho Tanaka into vertical suplex position and Ferrara came off the top as Titus brought Sho down in a face crusher.

Logic Gap: None really, Ferrara & Titus should be called The “New” Ring Crew Express, as they drive cross country with the ring truck.

Tanaka & Komatsu are in the same boat as Jay White, another missed opportunity for young boys sent to the US by NJPW and Delirious chose not to use them consistently.

Mark Briscoe defeated Chuck Taylor, Punishment Martinez, and Shane Taylor in a four corner survival match for a future TV title shot

Logic Gap: Punishment Martinez the night before knocked off Jay White on PPV, he has a losing record for 2017(7 wins -10 loses in singles), Shane Taylor has never had a singles TV match and his overall record for 2017 in singles matches is 1 win 6 losses. Chuckie T is 0-1 in singles matches in ROH (Losing to Marty Scurll the night before), Mark Briscoe is 2-0 in singles in 2017 but just lost the 6 man tag titles the night before, shouldn’t he be focused on getting those back? Of course guys with these records should want a title shot, but do they deserve one?

Again I ask what are the requirements for someone to get a title shot in ROH?

Women of Honor -- - Kelly Klein defeated Stella Grey Klein won with a guillotine.

Logic Gap: These matches seem to just be place holders & content. They never build to anything, no angles on TV, no title tournament, no angles, no character development. So why bother if you have no intention of moving forward?

Show three --

Jonathan Gresham defeated TK O'Ryan by DQ

Cody came out to do commentary for this. The Kingdom had conspiracy signs during their entrance, and Motor City Machine Guns came out to stop them from attacking Gresham during the match. MCMG and The Kingdom were in the ring until MCMG were thrown out by the ref. He threw The Kingdom out after when they started celebrating, but they argued their ejection and never left. Gresham used a series of pin attempts and appeared to have the match won, but Vinny Marseglia pulled the ref out before three. The Kingdom eventually beat down Gresham for the DQ, causing MCMG to come back out and chase them off.

Logic Gap: None, at least the booking is trying to get the Kingdom over. But why against the Champions? Attacking them gets you a tag title shot? The Kingdoms last tag team win was in May of 2017 vs The Boys. Since then, they have lost pretty consistently. But this is how ROH builds title contenders.

Cody did a promo at the commentary table, claiming that he is a company man now and wants to give a chance to a young guy who had his opportunity ruined by The Addiction. He then called out Scorpio Sky.

ROH World Champion Cody defeated Scorpio Sky to retain his title

Cody asked Sky to kiss the ring. He did it, but then went for a schoolboy when Cody turned to celebrate. Sky ran wild early, but Cody was able to get the advantage. He used the Yes Lock at one point, leading the crowd in "Yes" chants. Cody reacted to a "Stardust" chant from a fan and eventually gave them the middle finger.

Sky hit a German suplex into corner, but Cody pulled the referee in between them and then raked Sky's eyes after pushing the ref away. He then locked in the American Nightmare to retain.

Logic Gap: Another guy given a title shot without earning it. Can anyone receive a title shot? Why do they have a championship committee if anyone can challenge and the champion can give it to anyone?

Jay Lethal & KUSHIDA defeated The Addiction
Daniels and Kazarian did a promo to start, with Kazarian explaining why they hate the fans. Daniels started talking until KUSHIDA's music cut him off. Daniels was pissed about that. This was a great match. The Addiction tried to take a countout because they didn't want fans to see the match, but KUSHIDA and Lethal stopped them with dives.

Near the end, Kazarian hit his finisher on KUSHIDA, with Lethal then hitting the Lethal Injection on Kazarian. Daniels hit the Fallen Angel on Lethal, but KUSHIDA was able to use a reversal into the hoverboard lock to tap out Daniels. Great finishing sequence.

Logic gap: Your heel fulltime tag team that attacked the tag team champions on PPV, loses to a makeshift team that just came together? Why? Lethal & KUSHIDA wont be a tag team going forward. Addiction losing hurts, it damages their credibility as challengers.

Show four

ROH Six-Man Tag Team Champions The Hung Bucks (The Young Bucks & Hangman Page) defeated Silas Young, Beer City Bruiser & Minoru Suzuki to retain their titles

They had a great match with a million spots. It ended when Page hit the Rite of Passage on Bruiser to retain. That came after they had Young in a Meltzer Driver position, with Page hitting the shooting star from the apron to finish it.

Suzuki, Young, and Bruiser yelled at each other after. Suzuki decked Bruiser before the ring crew came out, then he beat the ring crew up and got on the mic to tell the crowd that he would be back. That got a huge pop.

Logic Gap:
See opening promo notes.

Closing notes:

Minoru Suzuki comes in, loses clean night one, on the losing side of night 2. Do you really want to see him again? Does ROH have anyone who you’d consider a “Dream Match” for Suzuki?

Silas Young comes out of a PPV with his biggest win and loses in an unearned, meaningless six man title match.

Motor City Machine Guns finally win the ROH World Tag Titles and their next match is a TV loss in a 6 man match. Cody has no contenders built up. Jay Lethal just lost. Jay Briscoe lost his smile. Dalton Castle is nowhere to be seen and not referenced.

Bubba is milking a fake retirement angle using the topical CTE stuff, involving HOH’s Tommy Dreamer. This is just so dreamer can help push the HOH brand on TV which was shot down as a potential partnership by Joe Koff. So Koff got worked. At least Dreamer will cut some of those overdone sappy “Please don’t give up promos”

Marty Scurll is in no better position. He is no higher on the card than he was, but heres hoping that the Bucks book him better in BTE so ROH can run those angles without explaining them.

Punishment Martinez, Shane Taylor, Chuckie T are just moveable pieces with no real position of strength.

Mark Briscoe is just a putz who is Jay Briscoe’s little brother. He is one of the best athletes on the roster, one of the most intelligent and yet he is just used as the little brother.

Jay Lethal, Daniels & Kazarian are all stuck in the mud. They are all great talents who need a fresh coat of paint. Unfortunately ROH doesn’t have the paint brushes to do that.

KUSHIDA, Jay White & The Tempura Boyz are all lucky they have the option to go back to Japan.

Other than Kenny Omega coming next month, what buzz does ROH have? What momentum? I see none, this is a company slowly ticking backwards.

ROH is not big on continuity. They do not build up contenders. Guys win “Proving Ground” matches or pin champions in tags. There is minimal to no character build, nothing compels me to attach to any specific character.

There is no continuity. The ROH booking team could learn from Being The Elite. As corny as it is, at least they build to something, layer it and give you a payoff. ROH seems to be living off of ROH bringing in New Japan Stars.

I’d love an open discussion with an opposing view.
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I agree with pretty much everything you said, although I think Marty does gain a bit more than you're giving him credit for by beating Chuck Taylor. The only place I think you really went wrong is that you forgot the fact that Marty actually did a rematch against KUSHIDA at Best in the World. It is Ospreay who is yet to receive a one-on-one rematch.
The only change I would make is a semantic one, which is rather than describing the babyfaces like the Brisoes and Lethal being upset because Cody is making a lot of money while "ROH doesn't pay them well," I would frame it as them being unhappy that Cody has demanded so much money from ROH rather working for ROH for the idealistic reasons a babyface would. Make it seem like they are happy to be paid a comfortable living wage by ROH but Cody is really just in it for the money rather than because he believes in the things that ROH stands for or because he even necessarily cares about proving that he is the best (hence why he is willing to cheat to win while our valiant babyfaces are not).
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Big Red Machine wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:28 am I agree with pretty much everything you said, although I think Marty does gain a bit more than you're giving him credit for by beating Chuck Taylor. The only place I think you really went wrong is that you forgot the fact that Marty actually did a rematch against KUSHIDA at Best in the World. It is Ospreay who is yet to receive a one-on-one rematch.
The only change I would make is a semantic one, which is rather than describing the babyfaces like the Brisoes and Lethal being upset because Cody is making a lot of money while "ROH doesn't pay them well," I would frame it as them being unhappy that Cody has demanded so much money from ROH rather working for ROH for the idealistic reasons a babyface would. Make it seem like they are happy to be paid a comfortable living wage by ROH but Cody is really just in it for the money rather than because he believes in the things that ROH stands for or because he even necessarily cares about proving that he is the best (hence why he is willing to cheat to win while our valiant babyfaces are not).
Poor choice of words on my part, you are dead on. Guys like The Briscoes and Lethal are the foundation, there to help ROH further itself, while guys like The Bucks and Cody brag about being the highest paid. Right on
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Shhh, Ring of Hospice is perfect, just look at all those young upstarts on top like MCMG (because TNA nostalgia I guess), Kenny King (because he's on some TV show), Bully Ray (because ECW) and two-star Cody Rhodes (because Rhodes).

Also this "we kinda don't build contenders, you just "earn" a title because you pinned the champion in some meaningless tag match or because you came out first during a promo or something" is how New Japan fills most of the year (yeah, they have some long-term storytelling also, but it's the former most of the time) and people furiously jerk off to this stuff because WORKRATE or whatever. Of course that doesn't work in today's ROH because the workrate is lacklustre at best and they'd rather bring an endless string of nostalgia acts doing the same old shit and/or dumb comedy.
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And I was right about to post that you are stealing Thelone's thunder here.

I will also agree agree with the majority of what you wrote. ROH has a really pared back roster as a result of this past winter. Whatever the causes for those who've left may be, the card put together for DBD was honestly not a bad effort considering what was available. Compared to other PPVs, Friday's show delivered on coherent stories that were implicated from television and from the UK tour, less non-starter talent (read: Coleman, Titus, Ferrara, Taylor, Mandy of Honor combatants), correctly booked victors, and title changes that legitimately change the complexion of the promotion. Though having almost no build/foreshadowing to Suzuki's title shot was almost unpardonably foolish.

On the main topic at hand, Johnston has a terrible knack for continuity or building of the midcard. You have shown a pretty good breakdown of the weakness on both cards, but the symptoms of those nights reveal themselves after years of carelessness. Like in Cedric, ACH, and Silas never holding a championship, Adam Page being given the most turbulent "push" of an ROH talent I can recall, midcard guys never getting their characters expanded upon, the declension of Top Prospect winners, the shuffling of the World and TV Titles, and the reality that no Top Prospect participant past the inaugural tournament in 2011 has become the ROH World Champion. Their long-term vision is to book the next PPV and to secure New Japan talent for their house shows. It's weird to imagine how anyone not in the main event picture might think about leaving.
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Well, I agree with you in some things. ROH isn't the best doing TV, but their ROH TV shows have been strong in the last 3-4 months, building better the PPVs and having a program for each match on the card. I don't like some things, but when I watch them on TV, with the promos and all of that, it usuallly cames better than it looked reading the spoilers. Theig being said:

- As BRM said, Marty had his rematch. I don't like how they're booking him right now, btw. He started the year with a great TV Title run and now he's more of a comedy wrestler and doesn't look like the top heel I thought they were building.

- I like how the usually build their title shots, I'm not a fan of that stupid WWE rematch clause. If someone have beaten you clean, why should you get a title shot again?

- You said that ROH had another dissapointing PPV, but this is one of their strongest efforts. Every reviewer I've read talked great about the wrestling and the booking, even the ones that usually shit on ROH.

- I have to desagree too with what you said about The Kingdom. They were booked strong, then O'Ryan have he injury. They come back and they were booked strong in the NC tapings, even closing a ROH TV episode. I think they didn't won at DBD bc they want to build a bigger title match, and, at DBD, they wouldn't have had time with the Bucks and the Jay turn.

- The storyline about The Addiction isn't just about the tag titles. As they have said in every promo, they are angry bc the fans turned on them so they are looking to destroy everything they love. That's why attacked the Bucks, MCMG and now they are attacking people that gets over with the crowd, just like Lethal or KUSHIDA. Is the only shitty interferences that makes sense right now.

- Cody is a tremendous meh and I hope he loses the title so he can have midcard matches.

- Everyone is facing Cody because he's doing open challenges every week. Cheese face him bc Cody said he wanted to face a wrestler while he was wearing his suit. Have a short comedy match with Cheese is innofensive.

- Marty beating White makes sense, he's getting (again) some victories after losing to KUSHIDA (he's beaten Cole, White, Chuck and Romero). Plus, White is going back to Japan this year, so it makes sense that now that he looks strong, he put over other people.

- Four Corner Survivals are lazy booking, but I don't have a problem with that. Martienez and Taylor are two of the strongest wrestlers on ROH TV (I think you don't watch bc of the Marty thing and bc Taylor has already have some matches on TV), there you have Chucky T bc he had a phenomenal performance on PPV and Mark is always going for the TV. Plus, after the tension between Mark and his brother and Bully saying that he's retiring, how do you want him to challenge for the trios title?

- Ferrara and Titus are shit, but at least they only have 1 or 2 shorts segments on TV and they don't waste PPV time with them.

- You also have to think that a lot of the matches would make sense after you watch all the taped segments and all of that.

- KUSHIDA and Lethal winning a tag match doesn't make Addiction look weak. They are two of the best wrestlers in the company, and after their loses at the PPV, is fine to give them a tag victory. Is your usual babyfaces getting revenge booking.

- I don't think that teaming with Minoru Suzuki in a main event for the trios title against the Young Bucks is a bad thing for Silas. I mean, the took part in a match with the hottest wrestlers and didn't take the fall.

I don't want to deffend every thing ROH does. As a person who watch every single show, I have criticized a lot this year (you can read that on other threads). But man, they finally had a PPV with great timming, structure, new people winning titles and fresher things, and you talk like, idk, this was WWE 2017's Battleground. The set of tapings, on the other hand, are transition tapings, they still have a lot of shows before Final Battle. Some storylines moved, but you still have a four show Global Wars tour, the Soarlin Eagle Cup, another 5 shows on november and another set of TV Tapings with Omega in in. Is ROH in the best moment of their history? No. Is ROH better than they were post-BITW? Yes. They are in a transition period and we are watching newer talents grow. I'm happy with that. You can like things more or less, everything is subjetive, but at least most of their angles make sense. Also, you say that ROH has no buzz, when, as I said, every website, reviewer o Twitter user said that DBD was one of their stronggest efforts this year and a really good show, besides the main event scene. I the first one that doesn't like how some things are booked, but reading your post, it looks like ROH is a mix of Impact Wrestling and AAA.
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