Sinclair Thread incl. Tribune Merger

[Chrisvegas27]

So now they own fox sports networks the marquee with the cubs and the yes network partially owned by with the Yankees and all these networks are on major cable providers

[BurningHammer]

If ROH is just going to be filler programming I don't know how much of a difference it will make, certainly there will be more eyes and it will be more accessible, but it will need more than that if the company is to grow or to reach decent viewing levels.

[Chrisvegas27]

Sinclair said the 21 networks that they just bought had 74 million subscribers in 2018 and brought in 3.8 billion dollars in revenue

[Wilson]

Politics doesn't play into SBG and wrestling huh? https://www.instyle.com/news/alexandria ... oycott-abc

The advertisement was paid for by the Sinclair Broadcast Group airing on all affiliates of SBG during the Democratic debate last night, of which Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez was not part of.

I'm not shy about talking about SBG's political actions, but this is the best place for it so I'm quoting you here.

The ad is question isn't shocking if you've been following up with how the right has been villainizing Cortez, Omar, Pressley, and Tlaib. Of course the biggest self-own contained is the need for a Republican spokesperson to make clear that they're "not a racist," the telltale sign of all anti-racist political leaders.

Anyway, as a result there has been a semi-vocal call to boycott Sinclair/ABC (through an affiliate).

[AnHonorableMention]

Politics doesn't play into SBG and wrestling huh? https://www.instyle.com/news/alexandria ... oycott-abc

The advertisement was paid for by the Sinclair Broadcast Group airing on all affiliates of SBG during the Democratic debate last night, of which Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez was not part of.

I'm not shy about talking about SBG's political actions, but this is the best place for it so I'm quoting you here.

The ad is question isn't shocking if you've been following up with how the right has been villainizing Cortez, Omar, Pressley, and Tlaib. Of course the biggest self-own contained is the need for a Republican spokesperson to make clear that they're "not a racist," the telltale sign of all anti-racist political leaders.

Anyway, as a result there has been a semi-vocal call to boycott Sinclair/ABC (through an affiliate).

It's vile hate, no matter which side it comes from. Sinclair wrestlers should protest and refuse to perform.

[famicommander]

If you refuse to work for vile wrestling promoters that pretty much just leaves you with AEW.

Who else you gonna work for besides Sinclair? Vince McMahon? The Roldans? Billy Corgan and Jim Cornette?

Hell, didn't NOAH turn out to be owned by the freaking Yakuza not too long ago? Doesn't the dude who killed Bruiser Brody still run his own promotion?

C'mon man. Wrestling is one step above porn and one step below cable news in the grand scummy ladder of the entertainment business.

[Lynx]

And we don't know that much about AEW yet. Cody did talk about unions 1-2 years ago, but when AEW became reality he quickly mentioned how unions might destroy the wrestling business.

[AnHonorableMention]

If you refuse to work for vile wrestling promoters that pretty much just leaves you with AEW.

Who else you gonna work for besides Sinclair? Vince McMahon? The Roldans? Billy Corgan and Jim Cornette?

Hell, didn't NOAH turn out to be owned by the freaking Yakuza not too long ago? Doesn't the dude who killed Bruiser Brody still run his own promotion?

C'mon man. Wrestling is one step above porn and one step below cable news in the grand scummy ladder of the entertainment business.

Wrestling is most definitely scummy in most cases but there’s a movement toward cleaning it up as the old guard ages up and eventually out. The old NOAH regime was yakuza.

And we don't know that much about AEW yet. Cody did talk about unions 1-2 years ago, but when AEW became reality he quickly mentioned how unions might destroy the wrestling business.

I do know the inclusiveness, respect toward LGBTQ+ and open thought is a major point as well as working with autistic children and young adults is part of the every day rhetoric. Working in the industry I do, the Khan family is highly respected for charitable work, employee care, and forward thinking.

[Wilson]

It's vile hate, no matter which side it comes from. Sinclair wrestlers should protest and refuse to perform.

I just re-read what I wrote above, and I meant to write a very general "you" rather than address you specifically. (I always write in a general tone here. I don't have any interest in trying to politically shift someone on a wrestling message, I just want to talk about relevant issues.) I'm sure you know about those four women being singled out. I would also call it pretty vile.

I'm not trying to collapse how horrible the past actions of the WWE and and the owners of ROH have been, but the Khan family did donate $1 million dollars to Trump's inauguration. Billionaires have different (and opposing) interests to us broadly. Sometimes you work for terrible bosses because that's the shape of the industry--the hope is that workers can gain enough of an organized effort to keep bosses in check.

[AnHonorableMention]

It's vile hate, no matter which side it comes from. Sinclair wrestlers should protest and refuse to perform.

I just re-read what I wrote above, and I meant to write a very general "you" rather than address you specifically. (I always write in a general tone here. I don't have any interest in trying to politically shift someone on a wrestling message, I just want to talk about relevant issues.) I'm sure you know about those four women being singled out. I would also call it pretty vile.

I'm not trying to collapse how horrible the past actions of the WWE and and the owners of ROH have been, but the Khan family did donate $1 million dollars to Trump's inauguration. Billionaires have different (and opposing) interests to us broadly. Sometimes you work for terrible bosses because that's the shape of the industry--the hope is that workers can gain enough of an organized effort to keep bosses in check.

I’ve been told that 1 million dollar number was retracted once they saw his agenda but I don’t know for sure. Obviously the ad was vile hatred but at this point we as a people should be accepting of all peaceful viewpoints. Control what you can control. Shad Khan’s view’s in this case are not representative of Tony’s.

[kovs27]

The conversation that is current in this thread is something time to time, should I really be spending money on entertainment that supports causes that are opposite of my personal views. Would my time and money be better spent elsewhere? If AEW is the only "good" company then I would probably just find something else to do with my time. Not the mental mindset I wanted to be in before attending Bloodsport tonight lol

[AnHonorableMention]

The conversation that is current in this thread is something time to time, should I really be spending money on entertainment that supports causes that are opposite of my personal views. Would my time and money be better spent elsewhere? If AEW is the only "good" company then I would probably just find something else to do with my time. Not the mental mindset I wanted to be in before attending Bloodsport tonight lol

Have fun! Buy Hagadorn a beer he’s 40 as of yesterday!

[kovs27]

The conversation that is current in this thread is something time to time, should I really be spending money on entertainment that supports causes that are opposite of my personal views. Would my time and money be better spent elsewhere? If AEW is the only "good" company then I would probably just find something else to do with my time. Not the mental mindset I wanted to be in before attending Bloodsport tonight lol

Have fun! Buy Hagadorn a beer he’s 40 as of yesterday!

If I see him I'd love to say hello. He can buy me one back since my birthday was Wednesday lol

[AnHonorableMention]

The conversation that is current in this thread is something time to time, should I really be spending money on entertainment that supports causes that are opposite of my personal views. Would my time and money be better spent elsewhere? If AEW is the only "good" company then I would probably just find something else to do with my time. Not the mental mindset I wanted to be in before attending Bloodsport tonight lol

Have fun! Buy Hagadorn a beer he’s 40 as of yesterday!

If I see him I'd love to say hello. He can buy me one back since my birthday was Wednesday lol

Belated happy and healthy! He'll be with world famous logger and wrestler Grizzly Redwood.

[BurningHammer]

I tend to look it like this, I find the the likes of Disney, Fox and a few others pretty shitty companies for a variety of reasons, from racists, ring wing cultures, to treating employees attrouciously, but do I still watch movies, TV Shows created by these companies, yeah I do. Am I happy about it no, but they create things that I enjoy. It's the same for ROH, until politics and ideals feed into and are presented to me that I disagree with and it affects my enjoyment, I'll continue to watch, plus I have an overall loyalty to a company that has kept my passion for wrestling going for a long time.

Overall I find it strange that ROH as a company seems far more attached to these disgusting ideals and practices compared to others, even the WWE who's contributed a huge amount of money to trump's campaign and politics, to accepting a large amount of money from a state that has a horrific record when it comes to it's treatment of it's people and others. Yet for the most people they are far more accepting than ROH and the fans that enjoy the product. It's why I find someone like Starr pretty gauling, he has said he would never work for ROH, (yet already has and was well aware of said politics before hand), but would happily work for a company like the WWE, his own words in an interview with our very own Alex, you would think he wouldn't be happy working for either considering how morally upstanding he proclaims to be.

[Lynx]

Wrestlers can "afford" to not work with RoH, but WWE or WWE affiliated promotions? Well then, there is a bit more potential money involved there. So you know, you can show to entire world what an upstanding human person you are without really taking a risk on yourself.

[Wilson]

Overall I find it strange that ROH as a company seems far more attached to these disgusting ideals and practices compared to others, even the WWE who's contributed a huge amount of money to trump's campaign and politics, to accepting a large amount of money from a state that has a horrific record when it comes to it's treatment of it's people and others. Yet for the most people they are far more accepting than ROH and the fans that enjoy the product. It's why I find someone like Starr pretty gauling, he has said he would never work for ROH, (yet already has and was well aware of said politics before hand), but would happily work for a company like the WWE, his own words in an interview with our very own Alex, you would think he wouldn't be happy working for either considering how morally upstanding he proclaims to be.

I actually find no shortage of people (rightfully) talking about how compromised the WWE is by its owners. You brought up some untenable things, but their record of being gross, deceitful, and destructive goes on and on and on--to longtime fans of wrestling, you tend to get more productive conversations about their misdoings rather than wrestling moments created by the WWE. (On David Starr, I unfortunately don't think he's worth deep examining. His worldview to me is totally incoherent.)

If you're a fan of ROH and you're suspicious of Sinclair's programming, I think there's an even larger onus to talk about ROH's parent company without pulling punches.

The conversation that is current in this thread is something time to time, should I really be spending money on entertainment that supports causes that are opposite of my personal views. Would my time and money be better spent elsewhere? If AEW is the only "good" company then I would probably just find something else to do with my time.

A lot of entertainment is made under dubious circumstances. The movies I like to watch seem to be primarily run by corrupt moguls, the games industry chews and spits out its workers as if they were in the service industry, the comics industry can't get rid of its assholes no matter how many times they're revealed to be monsters. (It's almost like there's deep, underlying problems with capitalistic production models.) Sometimes the problems are so severe that you cut ties from showing any support and in most cases you pick and choose the way you show your support. If you really want to show your support for a particular wrestler, buying merch is a good way to make sure that your money is being used in ways you can tolerate.

[BurningHammer]

I actually find no shortage of people (rightfully) talking about how compromised the WWE is by its owners. You brought up some untenable things, but their record of being gross, deceitful, and destructive goes on and on and on--to longtime fans of wrestling, you tend to get more productive conversations about their misdoings rather than wrestling moments created by the WWE. (On David Starr, I unfortunately don't think he's worth deep examining. His worldview to me is totally incoherent.)

If you're a fan of ROH and you're suspicious of Sinclair's programming, I think there's an even larger onus to talk about ROH's parent company without pulling punches.

I tend to find that the push back WWE faces regarding all of it is pretty temporary and only really when a show happens again and some talents decide not to work it. It isn't a constent negative for a lot of people and it's more that the huge amount of talent is being wasted or how bad it is we are finding out the sex of a baby. Politics rarely rears it's self within the WWE 'universe'.

I totally agree and I have no problem discussing the uncomfortable nature of ROH's parent companies politics and their desires for certain elements of national discorse to be shown as hugely negative. I personal don't really want to as wrestling should be my escape from the general apathy and anger that I find myself fealing with politics and the general stupidity I have to deal with when exploring a discussion on said subject.