Shouldn't the Bucks be Suspended?

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

Don't forget, they superkicked a woman! It's not the ECW era anymore, so how does that not make you a heel? Fuck man, where are your priorities, Joeism?

[Vanilla Gorilla]

Here you have BRM

http://www.rohwrestling.com/news/bullet ... domination

Spoiler: show

ROH matchmaker Nigel McGuinness knows that a number of ROH stars are salivating at the thought of getting their hands on The Bullet Club. That list includes Lethal, Cabana, The Briscoes and The Motor City Machine Guns. McGuinness has admitted that The Bullet Club is good for business because the group sells tickets and merchandise. These are a few of the reasons why he won’t simply fire them for their heinous actions.

That being said, however, McGuinness has taken steps to prevent The Bullet Club from totally running amok. He levied the largest fine in ROH history on The Bullet Club for their recent attacks, and has said that the group will be suspended for six months without pay if there is another incident.

McGuinness also has upgraded security around ringside to protect ROH staff, and he declared that Bullet Club members will not be able to strong-arm their way into title shots; they will have to earn them like every other competitor.

Good. Now explain to me why it took TWO WEEKS for them to announce this. It should have happened on the morning of the Toronto tapings (and repeated to the live crowd at the beginning of the show), or the Monday after the New York show at the very latest. There is no reason for it to take two weeks for a crucial element of a storyline/big plot-hole plug to be announced. What that says to me is that they didn't even think this was an issue until after the show, but whether they didn't think of it beforehand or they thought of it and it just took them two weeks to upload it, either way it's still incompetent.

the bigger issue isn't the two weeks - its why hasn't there been new TV content telling us this?

[Wilson]

There's nothing wrong with that statement. You can argue that it shouldn't have been said in the first place because it should be a given, but there is nothing wrong with making heels have to earn their title shots just like the babyfaces do.

When an authority figure makes a statement for another wrestler to "earn" their opportunities it creates a redemption arc. Now that the matches Bullet Club participate in may present possibilities of contendership, the crowd will be more even wont to cheer them then before. Of course when they inevitably hurdle over all of ROH's obstacles, the company will have rahrah'd heels and trotted babyfaces.

Whether they are designing to or not, ROH is making Bullet Club their number one babyface.

[STITCHES]

Looks like that's the intent. Just saw a whole hour of ROH TV just showing us a highlight reel of BC matches.

[Big Red Machine]

They are not turning Adam Cole babyface or Bullet Club babyface, they are not babyface nor heels.

THEY ASSAULTED INNOCENT PEOPLE, RUINED A PPV MAIN EVENT, LIED ABOUT A PARTICIPANT IN A MATCH IN ORDER TO DECEIVE PEOPLE, AND THEN TRIED TO HANG A MAN. HOW THE F*CK CAN YOU POSSIBLY SAY THEY AREN'T HEELS?!

They act like heels but fans love them so they are not really heels but they are not babyface either

Or maybe the fans are just kaybe terrible people, too. Their actions are completely morally wrong. Therefore they are heels.

They did that now because of the VOD release i guess, they did it so i don't care if they did that earlier or not

Then explain all of the other times when they've done something like this before they put the VOD out.

[Big Red Machine]

There's nothing wrong with that statement. You can argue that it shouldn't have been said in the first place because it should be a given, but there is nothing wrong with making heels have to earn their title shots just like the babyfaces do.

When an authority figure makes a statement for another wrestler to "earn" their opportunities it creates a redemption arc. Now that the matches Bullet Club participate in may present possibilities of contendership, the crowd will be more even wont to cheer them then before. Of course when they inevitably hurdle over all of ROH's obstacles, the company will have rahrah'd heels and trotted babyfaces.

Whether they are designing to or not, ROH is making Bullet Club their number one babyface.

I disagree that the word "earn" automatically creates a redemption arc. It's a kayfabe sport. Everyone has to earn their opportunities.

[STITCHES]

Why does it matter so much whether or not Bullet Club / Young Bucks fulfill a traditional heel role? Either way, this is a huge improvement over what we've been witnessing lately from ROH. YB crashing main events or Adam Cole being his dastardly self with enough back-up to get away with shit is hilarious and fun. If you're gonna do this fuck finish stuff, at least inject a little life into it. Not saying that's the ROH I'd prefer, but I'd rather all the chaos and anarchy come from Bullet Club than anybody else.

[monster mafia]

[STITCHES]

Where ROH kinda screwed up here is they told us instead of showing us all these guys "gunning" for Bullet Club. They used to be really good at presenting a backstage angle. That could have been a very entertaining segment. Instead, Nigel addressing BC makes them look more like WCW/WWF than themselves, unless that's what they wanted.

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

Jesus that was fucking terrible. Nigel deserves an Oscar for getting that out of his mouth without shooting. Let's suspend Christopher Daniels 2 months ago for punching Turner in the grill, but not the Bullet Club? Lazy storytelling, fucking lazy.

[STITCHES]

Seriously. Either drop the flaccid authority figure gimmick or actually go back to the basics, which I would love to be honest. Otherwise, the product just looks inconsistent.

[PoyzunTiiiger]

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam what the fuck? Yall need to calm down yall act like Stone Cold Steve Austin didn't get FIRED for giving Vince a stunner. O wiat he didn't get fired you know why? Because he was selling too much merch and it would mean more to the ROH front office to see them lose in a wrestling match or fight than firing them and letting them off with no punishment. Come on yall there are much more pressing matters to worry about like why reDRagon vs. MCMG has not been booked

[STITCHES]

None of that storyline involving "front office vs rebel talent" nonsense really bugs me, apart from how silly it gets (yes, Steve Austin vs Vince included). I just wish ROH would either go back to their original schtick as the no bullshit athletically credible wrestling or just let it be the wild west. Because either one is more entertaining than some official coming out and saying, "Um... well, I'm in charge of things on paper, so we gotta look like we're doing something." Seen that movie. In 1997, to be exact. Come on. Let anarchy ensue. It's about time.

[Northwoods_Nightmare]

Yeah if they aren't suspending anyone just ignore and don't mention it.
Nigel saying basically "what the Bullet Club did was despicable, and they assaulted and injured many of our employees, and they deserve suspensions, but we don't really care because they make us a lot of money" makes the ROH front office total heels. Like, the whole concept of putting what's morally right aside because of money is a standard way to turn people heel in wrestling. Is Ted Dibiase the real leader of the Bullet Club, making backstage deals with Joe Koff?

Or just suspend them, and then just have them run in from the crowd and destroy stuff anyways. Have unsanctioned BC matches after the official "main event" concludes. Then after a while have Cole demand that the only way BC will stop disrupting shows is if they end the suspensions and give him a title match.
The same sort of thing worked great as an angle with Steen after the Killer Instinct situation with Lethal's parents.

[Big Red Machine]

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam what the fuck? Yall need to calm down yall act like Stone Cold Steve Austin didn't get FIRED for giving Vince a stunner. O wiat he didn't get fired you know why? Because he was selling too much merch and it would mean more to the ROH front office to see them lose in a wrestling match or fight than firing them and letting them off with no punishment. Come on yall there are much more pressing matters to worry about like why reDRagon vs. MCMG has not been booked

The difference is that Austin being suspended and not on TV meant (both in kayfabe and out of it) that he couldn't draw ratings for them against WCW. ROH has no such concerns. There is no reason why ROH can't suspend Bullet Club and still sell their merch.

[monster mafia]

this thread is dumb.

[Thelone]

It isn't, it's called caring about consistency. The "Best for business" horseshit rubbed everyone the wrong way and was totally unnecessary when you could have easily explained that they aren't suspended because the locker room really wants to get revenge on them. It doesn't make old firing/suspension angles irrelevant because guys like Ciampa and Daniels attacked officials and not other wrestlers (thus no revenge angle) and doesn't turn NIGEL MCGUINNESS into a corporate robot spouting WWE catchphrases for the hell of it.

[187_Joeism]

People were going to complain no matter what, let´s be honest here.

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

If getting pissed off about inconsistent storytelling is complaining, fine, guilty as charged. Nigel has been an authoritative militant with The Addiction, but has completely been neutered by Delirious in this storyline. Having said that, I look forward to some Nigel/Cole verbal sparring.

[187_Joeism]

Nigel gave a fair explanation. I don´t like the way they did the angle at the PPV but i don´t think it matters that they are not suspending the Bullet Club for A or for B reason because the idea of them being suspended in the first place was stupid being this pro wrestling.