Re: ALL PURPOSE CONTRACT STATUS/POTENTIAL DEPARTURES THREAD
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:07 am
by monster mafia
this is cool.
Re: ALL PURPOSE CONTRACT STATUS/POTENTIAL DEPARTURES THREAD
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:27 pm
by famicommander
rovert wrote:
Roque11 wrote:So all this hoopla over Fish and Rush leaving, yet they're still going to be working for ROH. LOL!
Cool gimmick post. Listen to the Between The Ropes podcast. Fish inferred him joining WWE in June.
I find it surprising WWE would sign a guy like Fish at age 40. I mean, Styles and Roode were pretty old when they finally got there but both were multi-time world champs at major promotions before they signed.
But good for Bobby, if that's what they do. Maybe they'll keep reDragon together... the one place WWE is pretty thin company-wide is tag teams. You could probably book one good tag division if you combined every tag team from Raw, SD, and NXT but it still wouldn't be great.
Re: ALL PURPOSE CONTRACT STATUS/POTENTIAL DEPARTURES THREAD
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:39 pm
by JTCole
Have Cole, O'Reilly, and Fish come into NXT together as a heel trio.
Re: ALL PURPOSE CONTRACT STATUS/POTENTIAL DEPARTURES THREAD
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:40 pm
by Mr. Mojo Risin
JTCole wrote:Have Cole, O'Reilly, and Fish come into NXT together as a heel trio.
THIS!!!!
Re: ALL PURPOSE CONTRACT STATUS/POTENTIAL DEPARTURES THREAD
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:56 pm
by supersonic
famicommander wrote:
rovert wrote:
Roque11 wrote:So all this hoopla over Fish and Rush leaving, yet they're still going to be working for ROH. LOL!
Cool gimmick post. Listen to the Between The Ropes podcast. Fish inferred him joining WWE in June.
I find it surprising WWE would sign a guy like Fish at age 40. I mean, Styles and Roode were pretty old when they finally got there but both were multi-time world champs at major promotions before they signed.
But good for Bobby, if that's what they do. Maybe they'll keep reDragon together... the one place WWE is pretty thin company-wide is tag teams. You could probably book one good tag division if you combined every tag team from Raw, SD, and NXT but it still wouldn't be great.
Sure it wouldn't be...
New Day
Usos
Revival
DIY
American Alpha
Fandango & Tyler Breeze
reDRagon
Hardyz
LUke Harper & Erick Rowan
Luke Gallows & Karl Anderson
TM61
Kings of Wrestling*
Sami Zayn & Kevin Owens*
Wolves Among Men*
*late 2017/early 2018 reunions, with Sheamus being fucked off to NXT by Ohno due to Cesaro's "betrayal"; Wolves Among Men would be unlikely pairing of Strowman & Corbin
Re: ALL PURPOSE CONTRACT STATUS/POTENTIAL DEPARTURES THREAD
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:11 pm
by famicommander
Well if we get to just make up tag teams then I'm putting Okada and Dalton Castle on a tag team.
But seriously... American Alpha, the Usos, Harper & Rowan, Breeze & Fandango, Golden Truth, Shining Stars, Enzo and Cass, Hype Bros, Vaudevillians, Ascension, Sheamus & (insert unfortunate bastard here) ... they don't do much for me. I like Rhino and Slater (mostly just Rhino), New Day, the Hardys, reDragon, TMDK, DIY, Kings of Wrestling, Steen & Generico, and Gallows & Anderson (mostly just Anderson) but most of those teams are either hypothetical or not yet in WWE.
Re: ALL PURPOSE CONTRACT STATUS/POTENTIAL DEPARTURES THREAD
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:45 pm
by monster mafia
supersonic fantasy WWE 2K17 looking good.
Re: ALL PURPOSE CONTRACT STATUS/POTENTIAL DEPARTURES THREAD
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:33 pm
by Big Red Machine
JTCole wrote:Even if the non-contracted talent are staying in ROH they'll never be pushed to any meaningful role.
Which is a mindset that ROH really needs to get out of.
Re: ALL PURPOSE CONTRACT STATUS/POTENTIAL DEPARTURES THREAD
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:15 am
by AlexROH
reDRagon is back on April 30th for a Premier Wrestling Xperience (PWX) show:
Re: ALL PURPOSE CONTRACT STATUS/POTENTIAL DEPARTURES THREAD
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:16 am
by rovert
famicommander wrote:
rovert wrote:
Roque11 wrote:So all this hoopla over Fish and Rush leaving, yet they're still going to be working for ROH. LOL!
Cool gimmick post. Listen to the Between The Ropes podcast. Fish inferred him joining WWE in June.
I find it surprising WWE would sign a guy like Fish at age 40. I mean, Styles and Roode were pretty old when they finally got there but both were multi-time world champs at major promotions before they signed.
But good for Bobby, if that's what they do. Maybe they'll keep reDragon together... the one place WWE is pretty thin company-wide is tag teams. You could probably book one good tag division if you combined every tag team from Raw, SD, and NXT but it still wouldn't be great.
Things in Wrestling in general are very much up in the air. I'd believe it when I see it.
WWE and WWE talent relations have so many shiny toys or concerns between now and June - the UK, Women's Tournament etc. And so much talent they are not utilising fully.
The only WWE signing I'd call a lock is Adam Cole. Much like War Machine Kyle O'Reilly getting a strong offer from New Japan is foreseeable. With Fish following his lead.
Re: ALL PURPOSE CONTRACT STATUS/POTENTIAL DEPARTURES THREAD
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:09 am
by dark patriot
JTCole wrote:Even if the non-contracted talent are staying in ROH they'll never be pushed to any meaningful role.
yeah having half a roster full of guys who you cant put the title on isnt ideal
Re: ALL PURPOSE CONTRACT STATUS/POTENTIAL DEPARTURES THREAD
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:28 am
by Roque11
rovert wrote:
famicommander wrote:
[/quote wrote:
Things in Wrestling in general are very much up in the air. I'd believe it when I see it.
WWE and WWE talent relations have so many shiny toys or concerns between now and June - the UK, Women's Tournament etc. And so much talent they are not utilising fully.
The only WWE signing I'd call a lock is Adam Cole. Much like War Machine Kyle O'Reilly getting a strong offer from New Japan is foreseeable. With Fish following his lead.
So now you're saying what I've been saying all along regarding War Machine, Fish and O'Reilly.
Re: ALL PURPOSE CONTRACT STATUS/POTENTIAL DEPARTURES THREAD
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:35 am
by JTCole
The thing about Japan is you pretty much have to sacrifice your personal life to work full time there.
Re: ALL PURPOSE CONTRACT STATUS/POTENTIAL DEPARTURES THREAD
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:14 am
by 85Live
NJPW is "full"...just watch. Words of Tiger himself.
Re: ALL PURPOSE CONTRACT STATUS/POTENTIAL DEPARTURES THREAD
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:16 am
by Roque11
JTCole wrote:The thing about Japan is you pretty much have to sacrifice your personal life to work full time there.
Still most wrestlers will choose New Japan over WWE if they have to choose between the two. The mentality of wrestlers today is to copy the movesets of their favorite wrestlers from Japan and the UK or to try to imitate whatever they see in UFC fights. Wrestlers today care more about having the match of the year than they do in drawing real money with charisma, characters, mic work and storylines.
I've said it from day one, people like Kyle are too elite of competitors to choose WWE over New Japan.
Re: ALL PURPOSE CONTRACT STATUS/POTENTIAL DEPARTURES THREAD
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:59 am
by JTCole
If Kyle wants to wrestle in Japan over WWE he'll do it.
And honestly I don't think WWE would even offer him much to join, he's not a guy they can build around. Maybe he'd do better in NXT but even there they have a ton of guys more worthy. Not insulting him, just that I believe Hero, Strong, and even Lorcan are better fits.
Re: ALL PURPOSE CONTRACT STATUS/POTENTIAL DEPARTURES THREAD
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:37 pm
by Thelone
Roque11 wrote:Still most wrestlers will choose New Japan over WWE if they have to choose between the two. The mentality of wrestlers today is to copy the movesets of their favorite wrestlers from Japan and the UK or to try to imitate whatever they see in UFC fights. Wrestlers today care more about having the match of the year than they do in drawing real money with charisma, characters, mic work and storylines.
Yeah, totally not an issue in today's pro wrestling.
I've said it from day one, people like Kyle are too elite of competitors to choose WWE over New Japan.
Are you actually buying that horseshit you're writing ?
O'Reilly isn't cut to be a super serious no-nonsense badass. He doesn't wrestle like a badass (maybe he should dump stupid spots like the spaghetti legs and "i'm trying so hard to reach the ropes") nor act like one (I almost expect him to cry whenever he's """acting""" tough and mean). Again, his most noteworthy run was being one half of a tag team and acting like a smarmy dickhead.
Re: ALL PURPOSE CONTRACT STATUS/POTENTIAL DEPARTURES THREAD
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:50 pm
by Wilson
Roque11 wrote: So now you're saying what I've been saying all along regarding War Machine, Fish and O'Reilly.
You’re being disruptive and dismissive.
rovert has always mentioned that O’Reilly would not be with the company and that War Machine could leave because at least one member of the team is seriously considering it. rovert has also been providing follow-throughs or updates to all three talent, which seem to be plausible on their face and are often later corroborated by news outlets.
You’ve just been saying it because you want it to be true. Case in point:
Roque11 wrote:Still most wrestlers will choose New Japan over WWE if they have to choose between the two. The mentality of wrestlers today is to copy the movesets of their favorite wrestlers from Japan and the UK or to try to imitate whatever they see in UFC fights. Wrestlers today care more about having the match of the year than they do in drawing real money with charisma, characters, mic work and storylines.
I've said it from day one, people like Kyle are too elite of competitors to choose WWE over New Japan.
This is such a wildly inaccurate expression that it’s hard to even counterargue. Every wrestler has different professional values and different values to specific environment that stating something so monolithic is bound to make you sound like a weird goobus. The reasons for War Machine perhaps wanting to work with NJPW rather than WWE or ROH would be so much different to Kyle’s, and so on.
Re: ALL PURPOSE CONTRACT STATUS/POTENTIAL DEPARTURES THREAD
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:28 pm
by JTCole
Kyle would be fine in NXT as an obnoxious heel.
I don't see him being successful in any other role due to his own limitations.
Re: ALL PURPOSE CONTRACT STATUS/POTENTIAL DEPARTURES THREAD
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:44 pm
by Mr. Mojo Risin
Thelone wrote:
Roque11 wrote:Still most wrestlers will choose New Japan over WWE if they have to choose between the two. The mentality of wrestlers today is to copy the movesets of their favorite wrestlers from Japan and the UK or to try to imitate whatever they see in UFC fights. Wrestlers today care more about having the match of the year than they do in drawing real money with charisma, characters, mic work and storylines.
Yeah, totally not an issue in today's pro wrestling.
I've said it from day one, people like Kyle are too elite of competitors to choose WWE over New Japan.
Are you actually buying that horseshit you're writing ?
O'Reilly isn't cut to be a super serious no-nonsense badass. He doesn't wrestle like a badass (maybe he should dump stupid spots like the spaghetti legs and "i'm trying so hard to reach the ropes") nor act like one (I almost expect him to cry whenever he's """acting""" tough and mean). Again, his most noteworthy run was being one half of a tag team and acting like a smarmy dickhead.
