Official All-Star Extravaganza VII (PPV) Thread

[187_Joeism]

Kyle can beat AJ for the title, i think AJ vs Lethal will happen at Final Battle. You can have Kyle winning SOTF with him and Cole going last two now.

Last year, didn't they specify SOTF winner gets his shot at Final Battle? I also concur that O'Reilly's winning this year. They could potentially hold off on Styles' shot and have O'Reilly defend against him at 14YA. Although Lethal will need a legit contender for GBH, so I see the Styles shot going there.

GBH is not a PPV or iPPV at this point, i don´t see them doing Lethal vs AJ there for that reason.

[Fawrules]

Kyle can beat AJ for the title, i think AJ vs Lethal will happen at Final Battle. You can have Kyle winning SOTF with him and Cole going last two now.

Last year, didn't they specify SOTF winner gets his shot at Final Battle? I also concur that O'Reilly's winning this year. They could potentially hold off on Styles' shot and have O'Reilly defend against him at 14YA. Although Lethal will need a legit contender for GBH, so I see the Styles shot going there.

GBH is not a PPV or iPPV at this point, i don´t see them doing Lethal vs AJ there for that reason.

So...thoughts on the PPV prior to the last five minutes of the show?

[Northwoods_Nightmare]

So...thoughts on the PPV prior to the last five minutes of the show?

I guess it was pretty much what I expected. It set things up nicely to get things going for Final Battle. Nothing from the show will really stand out at the end of the year.

[Burnside]

All the Cole & Kingdom issue was fake and they planned this all along i guess.

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They planned...what exactly?

This angle doesn't hold up to two minutes of thought, and that finish was straight out of TNA.

Kyle turned on Cole, now Cole turned on him. He pretended to join reDragon just to screw Kyle.

Why bother going through all that? Could have just run in and kicked Kyle during this match and achieved EXACTLY the same result, saving himself the effort of months of a fake face turn.

[DXvsNWO1994]

Seems to me like Cole turning on O'Reilly is setting two big singles matches for Final Battle in Cole vs. O'Reilly & (possibly) the Lethal/Styles ROH World Title Match, if that's where it happens. Haven't seen the show yet, but on the surface, I honestly don't have an issue with it if that's the direction (again, haven't seen the show yet).

Speaking of which, looks like the iPPV comes with immediate VOD access, so I'll be able to catch up on the PPV.

[187_Joeism]

Why bother going through all that? Could have just run in and kicked Kyle during this match and achieved EXACTLY the same result, saving himself the effort of months of a fake face turn.

Playing mind games, he is a heel evil person, Why not? He never attacked The Kingdom during the period of time so that makes sense.

[Burnside]

"Mind games" is carny for "nonsensical behavior".

Also, I like them both, but was anybody really clamoring for Cole vs O'Reilly? Seemed like there was much more interest in Cole/O'Reilly/Fish as a unit.

[187_Joeism]

People don´t thought about Cole vs Kyle until now because it didn´t have any reason to happen, now i think it will be a match that people will look foward to.

[Burnside]

I'm sure it'll be good. I'd just be more interested in seeing Cole & O'Reilly & Fish feud with Bennett & Taven & New Partner. Would just feel fresher.

[187_Joeism]

I agree, both directions are fine by me and doing the turn you had that for a while, but i think Cole being face it would become stalled fash after the novelty ended.

[WHG]

I hate the bullshit in PPV matches...it's something they should avoid, but I was shocked at the Cole turn when it happened...so points for that because I don't remember the last I me I didn't see something like that coming.

That said, I posted something back in August after the Philly tapings that should have tipped me off.

Maybe the most puzzling thing to me about the tapings was that, for a show that will not air until late September if I'm correct about the timing, Adam Cole was still wrestling as a full heel against Nakamura...more so than in other matches he's had recently. They announced him as representing The Kingdom and he was still wearing the red Kingdom trunks, which didn't seem odd to me until he did his full heel shtick, complete with teasing moves and then taunting the audience.

At the time I thought maybe they just aborted his face turn, but the recent house show stuff got me and made me essentially forget about this.

[Fidel Costco]

Just got home from the show. As usual, I had a blast. Can't wait for the TV taping tomorrow.

Couple thoughts:

Big attendance; not sure about actual numbers. 1,000 people seems to bit high, but I could be wrong. I was never good at guessing how many jelly beans were in jars let alone how many people were in a building. However, in attendance were Jessamyn Duke (Edit: sorry, thought it was Shafir) and Shayna Baszler, which was cool. Keep in mind that I have this mental image of San Antonio as a small city, which I know it is anything but.

Glad to see I'm not the only one who thought the ropes seemed loose.

We had the Todd Sinclair section. Smattering of chants throughout the night of "Todd is wrestling" and "Todd is God." What can I say, we're weird in SA, and fans of irony.

Not sure if this aired or was a dark match, but Dijak and "Unholy" Gregory James (local guy?) lost to Ferrara and Watanabe.

I'm glad ANX is back, but like with most of ROH's past stars, even from the more recent past, it probably would have come off better if they saved it for a show in the Northeast or elsewhere, some place where ANX and the Briscoes put on those matches.

There is a bit of stable overload currently: The Decade, The Kingdom, HoT, KRD. So, my assumption that ANX would join the Decade to beef it up a bit was thankfully wrong.

Decoy Romantic Touch was definitely Matt Taven. Ultimately, I'm glad RT is done. The gimmick outstayed its welcome. While Sexual Assault: The Gimmick was entertaining at first, it was long overdue to be dropped.

Moose/Alexander was a blast. A lot of fun to watch. And Veda's "No DQ" Outfit with the cat shirt amused me. Unfortunately, Sydal/ACH followed it and the crowd was tired (I was, at least.)

I never thought I'd get to see The Bucks live. Now I have.

Got a hunch the mystery KRD member was Adam Cole.

I feel kind of bad for Elgin, honestly. The brief episode where he "quit" ROH and subsequent heel run really hurt him. However, it speaks to his ability to turn a crowd who was generally apathetic towards him at first to cheering him. Much credit to him.

It was absolutely a heel PPV. Silas beating Castle; Kingdom winning the tag belts; Lethal retaining both his belts; Cole screwing Kyle and remaining part of the Kingdom.

The 4-way should have been called "Match of the Roaring Elbows."

Styles winning the #1 contendership was great. I figure they'll save it for Final Battle. And Lethal v. Styles will surely be a great match.

Finish to the main event was way overbooked. Truth gets involved, gets escorted out by Nigel, Dijak runs in, Fish runs in, Cole runs in, Cole turns on Kyle. Bit much.

[Fidel Costco]

I'm sure it'll be good. I'd just be more interested in seeing Cole & O'Reilly & Fish feud with Bennett & Taven & New Partner. Would just feel fresher.

It would have, absolutely. However, heel Adam Cole is best Adam Cole.

[Thelone]

Watanabe's going back to Japan very soon. You think he'd take it with him? I suppose it's possible. It would help keep the TV title elevated at a higher prestige level.

Depends on the meaning of "very soon". If he's leaving like next month, he's not winning the title obviously; if he's leaving post-FB/WK10, I can definitely see him beat Lethal via bullshit tonight and have a short title run. Lethal has to lose the TV title at this point and the sooner the better.

[TYFDK]

I'd have no problem with Watanabe having a short reign. Especially because Lethal's held the title for over 17 months.

[Northwoods_Nightmare]

People don´t thought about Cole vs Kyle until now because it didn´t have any reason to happen, now i think it will be a match that people will look foward to.

I thought about it and was looking forward to it. But I expected at least another month or two before the turn, and I expected Cole to be a stand alone heel rather than bringing the kingdom back into it.

[DXvsNWO1994]

Thankfully the iPPV granted me instant access to the VOD replay, so I watched some of the show last night, and the rest of it this morning.

All-Star Extravaganza VII
San Antonio, Texas 9/18/15

1.) ROH World TV Title - Jay Lethal (with Truth Martini) vs. IWGP Jr. Heavyweight Tag Team Champion Bobby Fish: ***3/4

2.) Dalton Castle vs. Silas Young: **3/4-***

3.) The Briscoes vs. The All Night Express: ***1/4

4.) No DQ Match - Cedric Alexander (with Veda Scott) vs. Moose (with Stokely Hathaway): ****1/4

5.) Best of Five Series - Match #3 - ACH vs. Matt Sydal: ***3/4

6.) ROH World Tag Team Titles - Triple Threat Match - The Addiction vs. The Young Bucks vs. The Kingdom: ***1/2

7.) #1 Contender's Fatal Four-Way Match - Roderick Strong vs. "Unbreakable" Michael Elgin vs. Adam Cole vs. "The Phenomenal" AJ Styles: ****

8.) ROH World Title - Jay Lethal (with Truth Martini) vs. IWGP Jr. Heavyweight Tag Team Champion Kyle O'Reilly: ***3/4-****

Overall: 8.5/10

I thought the show was really good. There wasn't a bad match on the show, and everything ranged from good to great. It sounded like the crowd was amazing live (based on Twitter responses), but it didn't translate as well on the replay (guess they didn't mic the crowd as well as they should have). I honestly thought Cedric Alexander vs. Moose was the best match on the show, followed closely (for me, at least), but the Four-Way Match and the two title matches. The show wasn't perfect. If they wanted to do Cole turning on O'Reilly, there were better ways to do it then how they did it. Despite the convoluted finish, Lethal/O'Reilly was still a really good Main Event. ANX's return was great, and their victory over The Briscoes was a pleasant surprise. While I know people were down on the finish of the show with what happened in the Main Event (rightfully so), to me, the quality of the show as a whole still made it a very good show (at least, in my eyes).

As far as The Kingdom goes, I know a lot of people don't like them, and I can totally understand that. Their work in New Japan this year has been pretty lackluster to say the least (the whole feud with Anderson & Gallows was just a chore to sit through and it annoyed me to no end). However, I honestly think that some of their Ring of Honor work this year has been pretty solid. They're not the best team in ROH (not even close), but they've definitely had their bright spots in ROH this year. I mentioned this in another thread, but their matches in Dayton & Atlanta from January/February and their Six-Man Tags with The Bullet Club (one of which I saw live) come to mind. That being said, I'm not looking forward to them as ROH World Tag Team Champions. My hope is they have a short(ish) title reign and drop the belts to War Machine at Final Battle (if I had to guess the direction they are going in).

[Burnside]

While I think the main event finish was Vince Russo-level terrible, I actually don't hate The Kingdom in general at all.

I agree the matches were all good to very good.

Considering how much emphasis they put on Lethal wrestling twice and defending both titles, they did basically nothing at all with that idea. He just kinda had two matches.

[Mr. Orange]

Here's my review of the show:

1.) ROH World TV Title - Jay Lethal vs. Fish - ****

2.) Dalton Castle vs. Silas Young: **1/2- This just didn't click for some reason. Went WAY too long.

3.) The Briscoes vs. The All Night Express: ***1/2 - Really liked this and am glad to see ANX back.

4.) No DQ Match - Cedric Alexander (with Veda Scott) vs. Moose (with Stokely Hathaway): ****1/4

5.) Best of Five Series - Match #3 - ACH vs. Matt Sydal: ***1/2

6.) ROH World Tag Team Titles - The Addiction vs. The Young Bucks vs. The Kingdom: **3/4

7.) #1 Contender's Fatal Four-Way Match -Strong vs. Cole vs. Elgin vs. Styles - **** - Great match and Styles vs. Lethal will be a great FB main event i believe.

8.) ROH World Title - Jay Lethal (with Truth Martini) vs. IWGP Jr. Heavyweight Tag Team Champion Kyle O'Reilly: ***3/4
-Loved the wrestling and hated the finish in this match. Kind of just wish they went through this angle on the TV tapings instead. This stuff should be left off of the major shows from now on IMO. Great match though and O'reilly will definitely be the one to dethrone Lethal mid next year sometime.

-Overall it was a great show. I wish they cut down some time on the 3 way tag and the Castle and Silas match because the two last matches felt very rushed. Final Battle is probably going to be pretty crazy if they do Styles vs. Lethal AND Cole vs. Oreilly.

[Lazyking]

Considering how much emphasis they put on Lethal wrestling twice and defending both titles, they did basically nothing at all with that idea. He just kinda had two matches.

Agreed and the focus was on cole not Lethal surviving. I really thought Kyle should have attacked the legs more, really sell the lethal's legs as an injury and target it.