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Big Red Machine wrote:

Wilson wrote: Lethal cheating to win in the midcard really is not a major evil. It’s OK to make faces look like they were cheated out of their opportunities.

If he needs to cheat to beat midcarders than he is not being booked strongly. , If they followed up on these with some sort of rematch and a clean win for Lethal it would be one thing, but they just never mention it again.

187_Joeism wrote:

Wilson wrote:

dhads7161 wrote:Imagine the nuclear heat Adam Page would get if he got booked to "hang" one of the black guys on the roster.

From the African American community, the fanbase, Wrestling Observer, and just about any sensible person privy to the news? Nuclear I-will-never-support-your-product-again heat.

Page himself did an interview once he joined the Bullet Club and talked about this in particular, he said that people really have double standards with that subject and gave the example of Jon Snow (Game of Thrones) hanging a child and people not freaking out about it. I think it was some interesting comparasion.

Wilson wrote:

Big Red Machine wrote:

Wilson wrote: Lethal cheating to win in the midcard really is not a major evil. It’s OK to make faces look like they were cheated out of their opportunities.

If he needs to cheat to beat midcarders than he is not being booked strongly. , If they followed up on these with some sort of rematch and a clean win for Lethal it would be one thing, but they just never mention it again.

You watch more ROH than I do, but Lethal’s cheating does not strike me as flagrant as you find it. He cheats, but he back it up by beating Styles fairly at Final Battle and Jay Briscoe at Best in the World.

Wilson wrote: Would you argue that someone in ROH is portrayed as strong as Lethal during the past year? By dead reckoning, I am wont to say that he is one of their most protected stars ever.

Wilson wrote:

187_Joeism wrote:
Page himself did an interview once he joined the Bullet Club and talked about this in particular, he said that people really have double standards with that subject and gave the example of Jon Snow (Game of Thrones) hanging a child and people not freaking out about it. I think it was some interesting comparasion.

In the US, people are still very sensitive to racial inequality, especially since it is still, in general, so prevalent. The violence was just so odious, I don't want that quoted in my wrestling, which is known to treat sensitive subjects as maladroitly as possible.

It would be as offensive as alluding to the fascism in the Spanish Civil War.

Even for a product that spent a year decontextualizing, caricaturizing, fetishizing, and humiliating gay characters, reenacting a “lynching” would be the worst thing in the company’s history.

Burnside wrote:I think the hangman gimmick is idiotic in general.

Adam Page seems to be attempting to murder people by hanging them by their necks with a noose. At the very least I would expect this to warrant a stern reprimand from Ring of Honor's HR Department. Or, you know, immediate arrest for attempted murder in front of hundreds of witnesses.

Jay Lethal's over here trying to get heel heat for like pulling tights and having Hendrix distract the ref. Why doesn't he just strangle his opponents to death if there are no discernible consequences for that?

KEVIN KELLY'S VIEW FROM RINGSIDE
The Bullet Club showed why they're one of the most popular and controversial groups in all of professional wrestling this week when Adam Page attempted to break Will Ferrara's neck and suffocate him to death as the Young Bucks made little wolf faces with their fingers! While lovable mouth-breathing piglet Ferrara was not murdered, paralyzed, or left in a permanent vegetative state by this particular lynching, you never know what could happen with the Bullet Club - and that's why fans love their rebellious attitude! Love him or hate him, Adam Page is trying to kill his fellow wrestlers. The best part is, you the fans decide who to boo or cheer! After the near-homicide was interrupted by the Motor City Machine Guns, the Bullet Club made their way over to the merchandise table and sold out all their t-shirts! Yours in Wresting, Kevin Kelly

Big Red Machine wrote:Except it's not a lynching! A lynching is extrajudicial "justice" committed against someone accused of a crime (with the connotation of the word implying that the accused was not guilty and was killed- and possibly even accused- only because of racial/ethnic prejudices).
This would just be Adam Page hanging a dude because Adam Page is a dick. As long as he doesn't accuse ACH of raping a white woman before doing it then any comparisons to lynching are ridiculous.

To be clear: I'm not advocating that they do it. I agree with Burnside that he whole gimmick is stupid. I'm just saying that a comparison to lynching is idiotic.

BurningHammer wrote:

Burnside wrote:I think the hangman gimmick is idiotic in general.

Adam Page seems to be attempting to murder people by hanging them by their necks with a noose. At the very least I would expect this to warrant a stern reprimand from Ring of Honor's HR Department. Or, you know, immediate arrest for attempted murder in front of hundreds of witnesses.

Jay Lethal's over here trying to get heel heat for like pulling tights and having Hendrix distract the ref. Why doesn't he just strangle his opponents to death if there are no discernible consequences for that?

KEVIN KELLY'S VIEW FROM RINGSIDE
The Bullet Club showed why they're one of the most popular and controversial groups in all of professional wrestling this week when Adam Page attempted to break Will Ferrara's neck and suffocate him to death as the Young Bucks made little wolf faces with their fingers! While lovable mouth-breathing piglet Ferrara was not murdered, paralyzed, or left in a permanent vegetative state by this particular lynching, you never know what could happen with the Bullet Club - and that's why fans love their rebellious attitude! Love him or hate him, Adam Page is trying to kill his fellow wrestlers. The best part is, you the fans decide who to boo or cheer! After the near-homicide was interrupted by the Motor City Machine Guns, the Bullet Club made their way over to the merchandise table and sold out all their t-shirts! Yours in Wresting, Kevin Kelly

It's wrestling, most things are. Have we just got to a point now where we expect wrestling to be real life and someone should act like they go to work in a shirt and tie.

JTCole wrote:Holy shit this topic

Burnside wrote:

BurningHammer wrote:

Burnside wrote:I think the hangman gimmick is idiotic in general.

Adam Page seems to be attempting to murder people by hanging them by their necks with a noose. At the very least I would expect this to warrant a stern reprimand from Ring of Honor's HR Department. Or, you know, immediate arrest for attempted murder in front of hundreds of witnesses.

Jay Lethal's over here trying to get heel heat for like pulling tights and having Hendrix distract the ref. Why doesn't he just strangle his opponents to death if there are no discernible consequences for that?

KEVIN KELLY'S VIEW FROM RINGSIDE
The Bullet Club showed why they're one of the most popular and controversial groups in all of professional wrestling this week when Adam Page attempted to break Will Ferrara's neck and suffocate him to death as the Young Bucks made little wolf faces with their fingers! While lovable mouth-breathing piglet Ferrara was not murdered, paralyzed, or left in a permanent vegetative state by this particular lynching, you never know what could happen with the Bullet Club - and that's why fans love their rebellious attitude! Love him or hate him, Adam Page is trying to kill his fellow wrestlers. The best part is, you the fans decide who to boo or cheer! After the near-homicide was interrupted by the Motor City Machine Guns, the Bullet Club made their way over to the merchandise table and sold out all their t-shirts! Yours in Wresting, Kevin Kelly

It's wrestling, most things are. Have we just got to a point now where we expect wrestling to be real life and someone should act like they go to work in a shirt and tie.

"It's wrestling" is the go-to defense of the indefensible.

Wilson wrote:Adam Page in the Bullet Club has been very predictably miserable.

Big Red Machine wrote:Except it's not a lynching! A lynching is extrajudicial "justice" committed against someone accused of a crime (with the connotation of the word implying that the accused was not guilty and was killed- and possibly even accused- only because of racial/ethnic prejudices).
This would just be Adam Page hanging a dude because Adam Page is a dick. As long as he doesn't accuse ACH of raping a white woman before doing it then any comparisons to lynching are ridiculous.

To be clear: I'm not advocating that they do it. I agree with Burnside that he whole gimmick is stupid. I'm just saying that a comparison to lynching is idiotic.

If I’m being idiotic, then you’re being an ass.

Virginian Adam Page hanging an African American harbors a lot more connotations than of Page “just being a dick.”

I can't really see to what reason you even posted what you did. To disabuse the notion of this being an actual lynching? How very salient.