Random ROH Thoughts Thread

[kovs27]

Who out there is young, hungry, full of fresh ideas, able too handle wrestlers and corporate that knows nothing about the business and would actually want the job? Anyone have any ideas who is available that would fit the bill of running ROH?

They have to be available, hmmm. Well in October 2018 there were 3 at your disposal who could have fixed this wreck.

Cody and the Bucks?

[kovs27]

Who out there is young, hungry, full of fresh ideas, able too handle wrestlers and corporate that knows nothing about the business and would actually want the job? Anyone have any ideas who is available that would fit the bill of running ROH?

It’s not even about needing fresh ideas really, it’s about creating a good foundation of people who are at the corporate end of ROH. Say like a talent relations person especially on tours, a competent person to organise travel and accommodation, two people to handle local and wider area promotion, a Video/Graphic creative department that can really unleash the creative nature of the talent and ROH while creating merch that people will want to buy, two or three experienced wrestlers (someone like X-PAC, he’s shown he really gets the business, while also now a clean guy) that can work with talent in separate issues, say promo’s, selling etc. A GM who gives a flying fuck about talent and a COO who isnt implicit in keeping people around who do a bad job because of some personal attachment. Concussion protocols, a medic at all events, touring security and equal opportunity pay for all women. Also A female trainer at the dojo say Molly Holly, who has a tone of experience in this area. Who can also work on the creative end with say someone like Prazack who would know the best women to bring in.

When I say fresh ideas I don't just mean in creative. Plans for marketing, improved website and social media presence and like you said merchandise. The rest of your post nailed those ideas point by point.

[BurningHammer]

Who out there is young, hungry, full of fresh ideas, able too handle wrestlers and corporate that knows nothing about the business and would actually want the job? Anyone have any ideas who is available that would fit the bill of running ROH?

It’s not even about needing fresh ideas really, it’s about creating a good foundation of people who are at the corporate end of ROH. Say like a talent relations person especially on tours, a competent person to organise travel and accommodation, two people to handle local and wider area promotion, a Video/Graphic creative department that can really unleash the creative nature of the talent and ROH while creating merch that people will want to buy, two or three experienced wrestlers (someone like X-PAC, he’s shown he really gets the business, while also now a clean guy) that can work with talent in separate issues, say promo’s, selling etc. A GM who gives a flying fuck about talent and a COO who isnt implicit in keeping people around who do a bad job because of some personal attachment. Concussion protocols, a medic at all events, touring security and equal opportunity pay for all women. Also A female trainer at the dojo say Molly Holly, who has a tone of experience in this area. Who can also work on the creative end with say someone like Prazack who would know the best women to bring in.

When I say fresh ideas I don't just mean in creative. Plans for marketing, improved website and social media presence and like you said merchandise. The rest of your post nailed those ideas point by point.

Ahh yeah funnily enough the work Fox has been doing with ROH is exactly what’s needed. The timing couldn’t be worse. They are also using the likes of the Fight Network adverts online with specific wrestlers well. Social Media has also improved but could be a tone better.

marketing I would look to Poster locally through a fan set up (gets everyone involved), if you don’t want to do that poster in local newspapers or strong readerships, send talent out three weeks before the event is taking place to do media while also making sure any articles are printed up a week before said event too. Maybe do a photo shoot etc too for said event. Then do media a day/two days before with two specific talents.

Do a specialised ROH PWTees signing day, again 5 different talents every 3 months with also specific designs for that event.

I could go on and on with creative solutions as it’s my job but I’ll get boring soon I’m sure.

[Lynx]

One of the more frustrating things about these leaked conversations is how totally apathetic Gilleland is to wrestlers becoming stars. He seems totally detached from the star-making process and the idea of how ROH established its reputation/legacy. The return on investment on the Young Bucks, Cody, Adam Cole, reDRagon, SoCal Uncensored is that it becomes known that they either cut their teeth in ROH or that ROH was the place that allowed them to put things together to become headlining acts. You want to be seen as one of the most influential promotions in North America, one worth constantly paying attention to.

It does give you the feeling that he thinks that his job starts and ends with booking the arena. Talent getting over? Fans buying tickets? Thats on talent. They couldn't sell out these big arenas when they were still hot, but now he is going to throw Flip under the bus for not being a draw.

Doesn't Flip still have few months on his contract? And those leaks are few months old... so he basically thinks that they shouldn't do anything with Flip asides of random matches till his contract runs out? Insane.

[AnHonorableMention]

Who out there is young, hungry, full of fresh ideas, able too handle wrestlers and corporate that knows nothing about the business and would actually want the job? Anyone have any ideas who is available that would fit the bill of running ROH?

They have to be available, hmmm. Well in October 2018 there were 3 at your disposal who could have fixed this wreck.

Cody and the Bucks?

yes

[AnHonorableMention]

Hahaha! I would love to know what talent actually is decent in Gregg’s eyes. He must have an excuse for everyone as to why it’s all bad. He really sounds like the most depressing awkward boss to have to deal with, for all of Koff’s shit he at least feels energetic of has something to him.

There really is a total lack of awareness of what fans want and if Hunter literally has to talk his way into selling guys to management it’s insane. No wonder Joey has blown his lid of these are the responses he is getting on a daily.

Honestly I just want to start a go fund me and buy ROH, at least then we could get somewhere new.

Greg’s not a wrestling fan so I assume nobody.

This seems to be the case, which is just so stupid considering the position.

Not as rare as you would think. Really AEW is the only one with wrestling fans running ops.

[BurningHammer]

Greg’s not a wrestling fan so I assume nobody.

This seems to be the case, which is just so stupid considering the position.

Not as rare as you would think. Really AEW is the only one with wrestling fans running ops.

I can fully understand such a role being difficult to walk, especially in ROH as it’s a small crew so you have to be able to have a business mind but also be available to wrestlers etc, which are at times are a different breed let’s say. That said how he walks it is way on the wrong side, he literally (it seems) has no idea, even after all this time, of how wrestling and wrestlers work. The best thing could be for ROH is to get a middle person between the GM and the talent (a wrestler or someone heavily in the game, but understands what a manager can go through) if you can’t find the right mixture of both.

[AnHonorableMention]

This seems to be the case, which is just so stupid considering the position.

Not as rare as you would think. Really AEW is the only one with wrestling fans running ops.

I can fully understand such a role being difficult to walk, especially in ROH as it’s a small crew so you have to be able to have a business mind but also be available to wrestlers etc, which are at times are a different breed let’s say. That said how he walks it is way on the wrong side, he literally (it seems) has no idea, even after all this time, of how wrestling and wrestlers work. The best thing could be for ROH is to get a middle person between the GM and the talent (a wrestler or someone heavily in the game, but understands what a manager can go through) if you can’t find the right mixture of both.

They had that in Chris Daniels who is now head of talent relations for AEW

[BurningHammer]

Not as rare as you would think. Really AEW is the only one with wrestling fans running ops.

I can fully understand such a role being difficult to walk, especially in ROH as it’s a small crew so you have to be able to have a business mind but also be available to wrestlers etc, which are at times are a different breed let’s say. That said how he walks it is way on the wrong side, he literally (it seems) has no idea, even after all this time, of how wrestling and wrestlers work. The best thing could be for ROH is to get a middle person between the GM and the talent (a wrestler or someone heavily in the game, but understands what a manager can go through) if you can’t find the right mixture of both.

They had that in Chris Daniels who is now head of talent relations for AEW

Yeah he certainly would have been a great choice and the right one consdering tenure etc

Hopefully someone can still come in and take on the role.

[Montana]

Outside looking in, if looking for a good communicator Colt is probably the ideal guy for Joey’s role. Alex Shelley is another educated guy, that could do good things. ROH has tons of talent, they just need to utilize it.

[TYFDK]

Outside looking in, if looking for a good communicator Colt is probably the ideal guy for Joey’s role. Alex Shelley is another educated guy, that could do good things. ROH has tons of talent, they just need to utilize it.

They should hire Shelley literally to cut promos and stand at gorilla every show to make sure every wrestler is okay after their matches.

[AnHonorableMention]

Outside looking in, if looking for a good communicator Colt is probably the ideal guy for Joey’s role. Alex Shelley is another educated guy, that could do good things. ROH has tons of talent, they just need to utilize it.

They should hire Shelley literally to cut promos and stand at gorilla every show to make sure every wrestler is okay after their matches.

Alex is not going to want to do anything full time.

[AlexROH]

Loool....

https://twitter.com/JOEYnRetrograde/sta ... 2771445761

[Wrestlingisback]

Loool....

https://twitter.com/JOEYnRetrograde/sta ... 2771445761

I said it before, Greg ain’t surviving this. Koff is the one that is going to set the future imo. He’s likely got his eye on retirement. Before, it was easy. Take the retirement package and hand the reigns over to Greg.
If Greg has to fall on the sword, then what? Koff stays longer until a new heir can be developed? Or does he retire and Sinclair punts on the whole thing? Koff has ran the show the whole time Sinclair has owned ROH. What do they do if there’s no plan B in place anymore?

[monster mafia]

so at this point, nobody cares about final battle, right?

[Shanahan]

so at this point, nobody cares about final battle, right?

If ROH doesnt care..why should we?

[famicommander]

so at this point, nobody cares about final battle, right?

I care about the Briscoes vs Lethal and Gresham

[AlexROH]

Loool....

https://twitter.com/JOEYnRetrograde/sta ... 2771445761

Todd isn't involved. Mercury deleted the tweet and apoligized.

[AnHonorableMention]

so at this point, nobody cares about final battle, right?

No, the insanity of Greg and Joe makes the show(your most important show of the year) secondary.

[famicommander]

Joey really needs to just lay all his cards on the table and then go quiet for a long while. This is a horrible look for SBG/ROH for sure, but the longer Joey drags it out the worse it makes him look too.