ROH Matches that you feel are overrated

[Wilson]

O’Reilly/Cole is the quintessential breakout match. Not much more you can ask for with that in mind.

I'd also say Steen vs. Generico. Was one of the first so many ROH matches I think I ever watched, and I thought it was really predictable (as in, you could see a lot of the big spots coming).

I really hope you're not talking about the FB 2010 match, that match is utter perfection and spots being predictable is a ridiculous lame argument, if a match has tremendous psychology and storytelling, it does not have to be unpredictable, that's what Russo is probably thinking everytime he booked TNA stuff: Well that would be the obvious right thing to do, naahhh too predictable, let's throw in a swerve...

His use of the word “also” probably means that the Ladder War is being put on trial, which I think was not a great match by nearly any measure.

[JigsawVs.Jason]

Ok, I thought that was tremendous too, but might not be everybody's cup of tea.

[jordidebaas]

Yeah, I meant the ladder war. I don't think you should sacrifice good booking for the sake of doing surprising things, but when you're wrestling a match, and you can see spots coming a few minutes before they happen, that's not really good for the match

[JigsawVs.Jason]

Yeah, I meant the ladder war. I don't think you should sacrifice good booking for the sake of doing surprising things, but when you're wrestling a match, and you can see spots coming a few minutes before they happen, that's not really good for the match

I disagree, but obviously that depends on the actual context. Matches with sound psychology often resort to moves you see coming miles ahead just because it is the right thing to do according to the story told in the ring and the psychology employed. Hence, predictable does not entail being bad for the match IMO.

[Northwoods_Nightmare]

I agree on Bucks vs reDRagon at WOTW. I really liked it, but by no means did I think it was MOTY for ROH. Overrated.

The other one that comes to mind is Do Fixer vs Blood Generation. The match was certainly awesome, but I don't think it is the greatest match in ROH history like a number of people claim. I'm not sure I even put it in my top 5. I thought the end was the definition of a spotfest that went on way too long. Again, it's really fun match but I think it's often overrated.

I'd also put Black vs Richards from DBD VIII on the list because the finishing stretch went way too long and by the end my disbelief was completely unsuspended.

[supersonic]

I go through many of these in my Good Shit revisit.

Almost every fourway and scramble of 2002-03
Jay Briscoe vs. Brian Kendrick - Round Robin Challenge
Low Ki vs. AJ Styles - A Night of Appreciation (good but not a classic)
Low Ki vs. Amazing Red - Road to the Title (good but not a classic)
Amazing Red vs. Ikuto Hidaka - Glory By Honor
Xavier vs. AJ Styles - Night of the Butcher
Low Ki vs. Jody Fleisch - Night of Champions
AJ Styles & Amazing Red vs. Briscoe Bros. - entire 2003 trilogy
Tom Carter vs. Matt Stryker - Do or Die
TWA vs. Entire Carnage Crew - Death Before Dishonor
Raven vs. CM Punk - Death Before Dishonor (good but not a classic)
BJ Whitmer vs. Homicide - Main Event Spectacles
CM Punk vs. AJ Styles - Second Anniversary Show
AJ Styles vs. CM Punk - At Our Best
Low Ki vs. Jay Lethal - Midnight Express Reunion (quality storytelling though)
Jushin Liger vs. Bryan Danielson - Weekend of Thunder Night 1 (just a fun novelty)
Jay Lethal & Samoa Joe vs. Jimmy Jacobs & BJ Whitmer - Best of American Super Juniors Tournament
Izzy & Deranged vs. Jack Evans & Roderick Strong - Death Before Dishonor III
Matt Hardy vs. Christopher Daniels - Fate of an Angel
CM Punk vs. James Gibson - Fate of an Angel (good but not a classic)
Samoa Joe, Jay Lethal, & James Gibson vs. Low Ki, Homicide, & Ricky Reyes - The Homecoming
Matt Hardy vs. Homicide - Redemption
Samoa Joe vs. Christopher Daniels - Night of the Grudges II
CIMA vs. AJ Styles - Dragon Gate Invasion
Jimmy Rave vs. AJ Styles - Glory By Honor IV
Bryan Danielson vs. Rocky Romero - Steel Cage Warfare
Roderick Strong & Jack Evans vs. Briscoe Bros. - Best in the World 2006
Austin Aries & Roderick Strong vs. Briscoe Bros. - Destiny
Briscoe Bros. vs. KENTA & Davey Richards - Time to Man Up
Ultimate Endurance - Fight of the Century

[Tim]

I did not really like Claudio/Morishima, In fact I think Albright/Morishima is one of the most underrated matches in ROH history.

[PoyzunTiiiger]

Austin Aries vs Kenny Omega and Davey vs. Omega ugh Kenny Omega is my least favorite wrestler ever sooooooooo lame.

[Reaper G]

Joe vs. Kobashi. Yes, I said it.

Not that it's not great, but I can't give it five stars. I think for many, it gets rated that high just because Kobashi was in America.

[donkitrk99]

Steen vs. Cole @ Global Wars

[boourns]

Bullet Club vs. ROH All-Stars - Global Wars Night 1

This match was a joke

[andherides87]

Couple of "new" additions:

Davey Richards vs. Tyler Black (Death Before Dishonor 2010)
- Great match, but not the classic I remembered it being. ***3/4

The Young Bucks vs. reDRagon (War of the Worlds 2014)
- Great match, but not as good as their other matches IMO. ***3/4

Adam Cole vs. AJ Styles (War of the Worlds 2015 Night 1)
- Another great match, but not as good as I thought it would be. ***1/2.

[project161]

Just to name a few offhand: Davey vs. Eddie from both Best in the World 2011 and Final Battle 2011 (much more in the case of the latter), AJ and Cole at ASE last year (I much preferred their recent WOTW match), and Daniels vs Cole from Glory By Honor last year.

[Robareid]

Did anybody rate the Final Battle match highly?

[Burnside]

No. Davey vs Eddie at Final Battle 2011 is not overrated; it's reviled.

[Robareid]

The darkest point in the American Strong Style era.

[DieHard]

Elgin/Cole DBD
Elgin/Steen SCOH, DBD
Bucks/reDRagon 2/3 falls
Elgin/Cole BITW

[project161]

No. Davey vs Eddie at Final Battle 2011 is not overrated; it's reviled.

Maybe in these parts but particularly from the likes of Dave and Bryan. I think Bryan went ****1/2 on it then complained about the 10YAS main event being too long (the latter was shorter.)

[Marketh.]

The 10YA main event WAS too long. If it's remembered favourably for anything, it's for Cole getting a win that nobody saw coming.

That, and Steen verbally bitchslapping Davey afterwards.

[fm20000]

reDRagon vs. Bucks from War of the Worlds.

Retarded spotfest is all I have to say about it and the "Tombstone your own partner" spot was one of the worst things I've ever seen in wrestling. Unfortunately, the Bucks inevitably see comments like this on Twitter and use them as an excuse to come up with more dumb spots.

you seem like you'd be that guy at a wrestling show

the match was fun as shit live and the crowd was going crazy. I went with people that weren't huge fans and that match was their big takeaway from the night