RATE IT: Richards vs. Elgin (SITS: Day 2) CLOSED

[KL_]

*****
Fantastic match. I remember when I watched it - that was Wrestling !

[MuayThai]

Four stars its very good but no where near as good as five stars

[Guyver3]

*****

[DDMurdock]

****1/2

[Rooskie]

*****

[ColourMeCurious]

*****

[BTW10]

****3/4

[Jeremy]

**

I'm sorry, I just don't see the massive MOTY love for the match. It had a main event feel, which had been missing from the product for a while, and it increased Elgin's stock nicely, but the match itself was just your typical Davey Richards jerkfest with no psychology and nothing but head drops.

[JigsawVs.Jason]

**

I'm sorry, I just don't see the massive MOTY love for the match. It had a main event feel, which had been missing from the product for a while, and it increased Elgin's stock nicely, but the match itself was just your typical Davey Richards jerkfest with no psychology and nothing but head drops.

come on, 2 stars, you got to be kidding?!! I mean everyone should voice their opinion, but trolling like this post totally dilutes the idea of listing the best matches in ROH history. There is just no way in hell you could justify that rating! If you're not a fan of both guys and you rate it with a very low 4 stars (considering the match) then ok that's your opinion, but two stars is just blatant trolling, I'm sorry, but you cannot rate a match that has been highly praised by pretty much everybody in the business and pretend like it's a ten minute midcard match you would normally rate with two stars.

Note to adduval84: maybe we should figure out a system to prevent troll posts like this one. I would appreciate if you did not take these troll ratings into account, unless that person can reasonably justify giving such a low rating. Saying the match was a Richards jerkfest is just ridiculous

[Colt45]

**

I'm sorry, I just don't see the massive MOTY love for the match. It had a main event feel, which had been missing from the product for a while, and it increased Elgin's stock nicely, but the match itself was just your typical Davey Richards jerkfest with no psychology and nothing but head drops.

come on, 2 stars, you got to be kidding?!! I mean everyone should voice their opinion, but trolling like this post totally dilutes the idea of listing the best matches in ROH history. There is just no way in hell you could justify that rating! If you're not a fan of both guys and you rate it with a very low 4 stars (considering the match) then ok that's your opinion, but two stars is just blatant trolling, I'm sorry, but you cannot rate a match that has been highly praised by pretty much everybody in the business and pretend like it's a ten minute midcard match you would normally rate with two stars.

Note to adduval84: maybe we should figure out a system to prevent troll posts like this one. I would appreciate if you did not take these troll ratings into account, unless that person can reasonably justify giving such a low rating. Saying the match was a Richards jerkfest is just ridiculous

He should be able to rate any match whatever he wants.

He explained why he didn't like it which is more than those who slapped on ***** and said nothing. If Jeremy needs to 'explain' why he gave the match a substantially low rating, I think anyone who gave the match straight ***** should have to explain why they gave it a perfect score.

To me, giving this match a perfect ***** is as ludicrous as giving it **. I think it sits in the middle (***3/4), but I'm not upset with anyones rating, because their rating is their own. Just because somebody doesn't agree with you, and your 'favorite' match doesn't rank at the top of the list, doesn't mean you need to cry about it.

[Rooskie]

Everybody's got a right to their opinion. I gave it *****, and didn't post an explanation, but here is one. This match gave me goosebumps. The atmosphere, the last ten minutes of frantic, seemingly never-ending near falls, the shrieking Nigel on commentary, the fact I still think Elgin can win despite knowing the result before my first viewing, this match was amazing. Now that I'm in my 30s, I seldomly bother to watch a match more than once, no matter how great it is. I have watched it over ten times and still love it. It's in my top 10 ROH matches of all-time.

[Robareid]

****3/4

Amazing match, but the finish was only decent, rather than amazing, and the first two or three minutes were a bit slow. I'ts being very nitt picking, but that's why it's not the full ****

[watadam20]

**

I'm sorry, I just don't see the massive MOTY love for the match. It had a main event feel, which had been missing from the product for a while, and it increased Elgin's stock nicely, but the match itself was just your typical Davey Richards jerkfest with no psychology and nothing but head drops.

come on, 2 stars, you got to be kidding?!! I mean everyone should voice their opinion, but trolling like this post totally dilutes the idea of listing the best matches in ROH history. There is just no way in hell you could justify that rating! If you're not a fan of both guys and you rate it with a very low 4 stars (considering the match) then ok that's your opinion, but two stars is just blatant trolling, I'm sorry, but you cannot rate a match that has been highly praised by pretty much everybody in the business and pretend like it's a ten minute midcard match you would normally rate with two stars.

Note to adduval84: maybe we should figure out a system to prevent troll posts like this one. I would appreciate if you did not take these troll ratings into account, unless that person can reasonably justify giving such a low rating. Saying the match was a Richards jerkfest is just ridiculous

He should be able to rate any match whatever he wants.

He explained why he didn't like it which is more than those who slapped on ***** and said nothing. If Jeremy needs to 'explain' why he gave the match a substantially low rating, I think anyone who gave the match straight ***** should have to explain why they gave it a perfect score.

To me, giving this match a perfect ***** is as ludicrous as giving it **. I think it sits in the middle (***3/4), but I'm not upset with anyones rating, because their rating is their own. Just because somebody doesn't agree with you, and your 'favorite' match doesn't rank at the top of the list, doesn't mean you need to cry about it.

Yeah but his explanation to me makes it sound like a ***1/2 star match at worst. He thinks the psychology was off but it had a big time feel and increased Elgin's stock. That doesn't sound like a ** match to me.

[KaceCC]

****3/4

So grateful I was there live to see this.

[Riddick]

Seriously I hate this whole discussion on "psychology". Is it a typical Davey match? Yes because it's Davey God Damn Richards. If you're a sports team are you going to play a new strategy every night or are you going to go with what works for you?

Cena has the same match 9 times out of 10 and he's a MILLIONAIRE! Yes wrestling is an art form but most importantly it`s a business and Elgin vs. Davey blew the match through the roof and into the orbit of space and people will FOREVER remember that match. That`s what makes it 5 stars. So what if "Oh 17 minutes into the match it dragged on for about a minute and a half" it doesn't matter how everything goes, it matters what the match makes you feel.

Name me any movie in the world and I can come up with a time in the movie that I wish could be better, doesn't take away from it because it isn't about everything that happened it's about everything you'll always remember.

Psychology is up to interpretation but people are confusing it for logic and if that were the case the match would end after one head kick. ROH isn't a company that does 300 shows a year they can get away with putting on too much.

[adduvall84]

Seriously I hate this whole discussion on "psychology". Is it a typical Davey match? Yes because it's Davey God Damn Richards. If you're a sports team are you going to play a new strategy every night or are you going to go with what works for you?

Cena has the same match 9 times out of 10 and he's a MILLIONAIRE! Yes wrestling is an art form but most importantly it`s a business and Elgin vs. Davey blew the match through the roof and into the orbit of space and people will FOREVER remember that match. That`s what makes it 5 stars. So what if "Oh 17 minutes into the match it dragged on for about a minute and a half" it doesn't matter how everything goes, it matters what the match makes you feel.

Name me any movie in the world and I can come up with a time in the movie that I wish could be better, doesn't take away from it because it isn't about everything that happened it's about everything you'll always remember.

Psychology is up to interpretation but people are confusing it for logic and if that were the case the match would end after one head kick. ROH isn't a company that does 300 shows a year they can get away with putting on too much.

I hate to be a stickler, but I have to ask...is that an official ***** vote?

[Riddick]

Sure. *****

[Marketh.]

If you're basing your vote on how people are going to remember the match, that's not right either. You don't know how this match will be remembered. Just because it's fresh in your memory now since it only happened a few months ago doesn't mean it's still going to be in a few years. You might go to watch it again, thinking it's up there with Dragon/KENTA and Joe/Kobashi, then go "It was pretty great...but..."

That being said, I always base my ratings on how I feel the first time I watch a match, but I'm not going to justify them with claims like "...people will FOREVER remember that match. That`s what makes it 5 stars."

[The_Boss]

****1/4

[Thumbtack Matt]

*****. As a previous poster sad, even though I know the results, this match still tugs me in and makes me think Elgin's gonna win it this time. I love everything about this match, and wish Davey could've had a few more like it.