AEW Discussion

[Montana]

Dont disagree. Feels like they have 100's of wrestlers, and for the most part, use them pretty well, when they actually use them. I think some of those guys are just getting paid checks because Tony likes them; and they were the best legends available when AEW started.

It'll be interesting to see if AEW ever starts letting go wrestlers. I imagine they will have to at some point; considering they are adding multiple wrestlers per week. I dont see TK as a guy to do cuts unless he has to. Probably mention this before, but i could see WWE offering some big paid checks to guys like Sammy G, MJF, Jungle Boy and Darby, and warlow. If they'll leave, thats another story. I really think WWE has been pretty strategic about who they release and when. Even if wwe doesn't sign them, it'll drive up AEW cost to resign.

[NewROHFan2020]

First they sign Big Show and now Christian? What happened to all the young talent? I would have never expected all the old, ex WWE guys like they have signed.

[famicommander]

I tuned in at the very end of the women's match and this was a pretty lame ass card. Especially the main event. The "ring explosion" went off like a fart in the wind.

Christian was the surprise. Not nearly enough to deliver on the hype. He's a great wrestler but he's not even a bigger star than Big Show. This was a Dixie Carter hype and reveal, 100%. Over promise and under deliver.

Sting match made no sense. First the babyfaces bring like 25 extra dudes to the ring who interfere in the match, then the heels suddenly have 4 guys and all the extra babyfaces are gone. There were some cool spots at least but it wasn't shot particularly well.

Having three no DQ matches like that made pretty much all of them fall flat. Ladder match went on way too long.

Miro sucks.

Adam Page is a star at least.

Every match is full of fuckery. Run ins, interference, post match beat downs.

[kovs27]

First they sign Big Show and now Christian? What happened to all the young talent? I would have never expected all the old, ex WWE guys like they have signed.

I think they are trying to find ways to grow and adding people with name recognition can help add a casual viewer. At least that is my estimation. I just hope Christian doesn't get hurt again.

[NewROHFan2020]

First they sign Big Show and now Christian? What happened to all the young talent? I would have never expected all the old, ex WWE guys like they have signed.

I think they are trying to find ways to grow and adding people with name recognition can help add a casual viewer. At least that is my estimation. I just hope Christian doesn't get hurt again.

I get that, but this isn’t close to being Hogan, Savage, Hall, and Nash going to WCW. In my opinion, the people watching AEW want to see athletic matches, not the Big Show having a 3 minute match.

[famicommander]

Sting and Christian got to TNA when they were like 44 and 31 respectively. Now they're 62 and 47.

All Elderly Wrestling.

Show was garbage, finish was garbage, booking is terrible. I hate Cornette but he's going to tear this show a new asshole and he's going to be right.

[Montana]

TK said they were going to try "different things" in 2021 to draw in more viewers. This has happen time and time again with wrestling companies over the years. Trying to get more ratings/fans/viewers. Not suprised with AEW. I"m fine with Christian, and OK with Big Show wrestlers like 2 a year... but not sure their name value is worth their price in 2021.


Just finished Revolution, and pretty much what i expected. I came in with kinda low expecations on the matches, and met what i was expecting. Thought overall the show was pretty good, but yeah lots of non-sense and just an overall trying too hard feeling.

Bucks/Jericho/ MJF - 3.25 ... lacked chemistry. The Bucks look like they've lost a step or two. It might time to move onto Lucha Bros or LAX.

Tag Battle Royale - 3.25 = God damn, how many tag teams does AEW have?!? I wonder what is the record for most tag teams in one company, because i honestly think AEW may have it. I think the dark order had 3 teams alone in it.

Shida match - 3.75 - Probably would be higher/ match of the night, if it wasn't for the extreme no selling.

Miro/Kip vs. Orange/Chuck - 2.0 - I couldnt help but think how poorly miro has been used; for him to sell for Orange... but hey... im sure they could turn it around, and imagine him and kip split soon.

Page/Hardy - 3.0 - Is what it is... dont like Page with Dark Order....and not sure why Matt Hardy is so highly featured in AEW.

Casino Ladder Match - 3.25-3.5 - I don't want to say this was the worst ladder match ive ever seen... but i think it's towards the bottom for me. Certainly not a good ladder match. All sorts of botches, and unorganized choas. All Ego in AEW. We'll see where he fits in, but not sure they need with him all the other talent on the roster.

Christian Cage - Could be a nice pick up, if they have room to use him.

Sting/Allin - Cage / Starks - 3.75-4.0 - Dont disagree several aspects on this match didn't make sense. I kept telling myself, who cares...just enjoy the match.... and i thought it was fun. I like cinematic matches. I'll probably give give this my MOTN; even though i think the SHida match was better, BUT again the no selling. This was a good cinematic match. Very cool warehouse. Love the lighting, and 2 floors. Wasn't quite as good as Taker/Styles... but fun none the less.

Omega - Mox - 3.5 As much as i like a cinematic match, is about as much as i dislike garbage hardcore wrestling with barb wire. I like ECW as a kid, but today its so immature to me. I liked the explosions, i just don't need Omega in hardcore matches. Mox clearly likes them, as he cannot wrestle/keep up with people like Omega. Here nor there, OK match. 3.5 for the cool explosions. Super lame ending. I felt bad for Mox/Kingston selling it.

All in all i'll go 7.5/10 .... I thought it was a good show. No great matches.... and few good ones. I thought throwing a couple matches on the pre-show, would have helped the pacing of the PPV itself. Take your pick of the tag battle royale, or Kip/Miro/Orange/Taylor.. or both. No really bad matches, but like the whole trying too hard can be a bit annoying.

i said it before, and i'll say it again.... ROH needs to hit home runs on their PPV's. 19th anniversary is coming soon. No Reason what so ever; they can put together a better show, top to bottom. If ROH puts on better PPV's for a bout a year in a row; people will take notice. Wont be easy, but now is a great time to start. The only problem now, for the 19th anniversary is the lack of build. The website is still showing final batltle?!??!?!?

[famicommander]

A 7.5? You are absurdly forgiving.

Just saw that Uno botch where he forgets to sell the rana off the apron so he just randomly runs 15 feet and kisses the ring post.

Lance Archer just sat there waiting to be scissored in between the ladder for like 400 years.

There was nothing on this show that was good, at least that I saw. Run ins, interference, botches, post match beat downs, nonsense booking.

This was almost as bad as Filthy Island.

[Montana]

I did say i came in with low expectations, given the card/wrestlers. But yeah, certainly some botches and missteps. I may be a bit generous, but that's my scale. Certainly AEWs worst PPV; but overall still thought the show was good. A lot of mistakes; but i'd rather AEW try for a home run; and miss.... than not try for the home run at all. I thought it was entertaining; From the build to the matches, the promo packages, the surprises, the variety, the matches; felt decent. Felt like for the most part, the right people won. Now, if you paid 50$ for this... yeah, i'd probably be let down... but think most AEW fans enjoyed the show; while not loving it.

As expected with AEW trying a lot of new things in 2021... it's going to divide fans. I'd say if you hated this show that much, maybe you shouldn't watch AEW at all.


It's funny... i was recently watch a ROH B-House Show from 2006 with Danielson vs. WHitmer vs. Jacobs and Roddy vs. Kenta. Both those matches blew anything on this PPV out the water. Again, no reason why the 19th anniversary show, can't be better.

[famicommander]

What does a show have to do to get a bad grade? Throw your dog out the window of a moving car, hitting your grandmother who then stumbles into traffic causing a school bus full of children to swerve into a truck carrying priceless museum artifacts?

[NewROHFan2020]

What does a show have to do to get a bad grade? Throw your dog out the window of a moving car, hitting your grandmother who then stumbles into traffic causing a school bus full of children to swerve into a truck carrying priceless museum artifacts?

Yeah, but pro wrestling and entertainment is subjective. You and I hated Filthy Island, but someone at MLW had to like it, right?

[famicommander]

What does a show have to do to get a bad grade? Throw your dog out the window of a moving car, hitting your grandmother who then stumbles into traffic causing a school bus full of children to swerve into a truck carrying priceless museum artifacts?

Yeah, but pro wrestling and entertainment is subjective. You and I hated Filthy Island, but someone at MLW had to like it, right?

I don't know if anyone liked it and I don't care. Filthy Island was terrible and so was Revolution.

I don't see how either could be enjoyable unless you're watching ironically, hoping they fail and laughing at botches. Because the wrestling, the booking, the stunts, the story pay offs... None of them were good last night.

Even the crowd, entirely comprised of big enough AEW marks to pay too much for tickets to sit in a crowded public place for four hours in a pandemic, was booing at points last night.

[Montana]

It's not as bad as like NWA or championship wrestling from Hollywood for example. Even TNA/Impact imo. Those companies don't have near the roster depth/quality of AEW. If it was that bad, people wouldnt talk about it. Yeah, AEW makes a lot of stupid mistakes/botches; but we can choose want we want to enjoy/ not enjoy. If i watch AEW, i'm expecting flippy stuff with botches... and basically i think the good of AEW, out weighs the bad of AEW.

The Good
- Aren't afraid to spend money and invest in the product/roster
- 2 Hours weekly live
- A unpredictable show
- TK seems like a solid leader for the company. Not flawless but good.
- Great marketing
- Good fan engagement / Social Media / Meme culture
- Long term booking/storytelling

Is AEW my favorite company, No.. but as a wrestling fan, i can watch it, and enjoy that it's different from WWE/Impact/ROH/NJPW. Nothing about that PPV should surprise you, if you know AEW & the roster & that card on paper. AEW needs to keep having surprises, and big signings like Sting/Big Show/Christian to keep momentum going. That roster is getting super bloated, and them spitting out more content will be interesting to see how that goes.

[famicommander]

But it's not different from WWE. Like, at all.

Geezers, celebrities, terrible camera work, wedding stories, Hornswoggle, kidnapping angles, musical numbers, teleportation... It's the most WWE shit ever.

If Vince Russo booked the 2018 ROH roster, AEW is what you would get.

[Montana]

Yeah, they are similar in those aspects... but different in the fact, that one company (WWE) is over-produced, with scripted promos... Where as AEW let's the wrestlers write the promos and help with story lines.

AEW produces enough surprises on Dynamite/PPVs, to make you feel like "what could happen next" .... WWE does not care enough to do that.


WWE has a factory (NXT) to produce talented - in shape wrestlers at the top of their game.... AEW signs a guy like Darby Allin and tells him to "Be Yourself" and get over.

One company (wwe) can barely get a babyface over; and the other has Orange Cassidy making it look easy.



So that's like 4 reasons there, and i'm sure i could keep going. If you didn't think AEW would go the "entertainment" route... your sadly mistaken. Any wrestling promotion on a major television deal is going to have sport entertainment. Both companies have different degrees of wrestling vs. SE as well. Like there might be 30 minutes of actual wrestling on a Raw, and you might get 75 minutes in a 2 hour Dynamite.

[NewROHFan2020]

Looks like Omega is going to wrestle for the Impact title in April.

[famicommander]

Maki Itoh sucks.

MJF does not need a stable of garbage attached to him. FTR are the most overhyped tag team on the planet today, just because Jim Cornette used to like them. Boring, vanilla, not that good and never were.

Spears is hot garbage and Wardlow never actually does anything. Tully needs to go away too.

[Montana]

Maki Itoh sucks.

MJF does not need a stable of garbage attached to him. FTR are the most overhyped tag team on the planet today, just because Jim Cornette used to like them. Boring, vanilla, not that good and never were.

Spears is hot garbage and Wardlow never actually does anything. Tully needs to go away too.

That segment is exactly why i love and hate AEW.

While on the surface, i thought for the most part that was a very interesting way to end the show. I was expecting MJF to turn on Jericho... so they set me up nicely for that swerve. With LAX / Hager Aligning with Jericho and turning them face.

BUT

They also did not make sense... because if MJF was planning to keep LAX/Hager and turn on Jericho... A) Why would MJF need so much backup, and how would FTR/Wardlow know to attack LAX/Hager if the original plan was to have them turn on Jericho. Pretty big plot hole, in my opinion. Now, depending who you are.... you may/may not care about this stuff. You may just say , well... they made a last minute decision.


Pretty ironic how they line up as well:
MJF/Jericho
SPears/Sammy
Wardlow/Hager
FTR/LAX

Stadium Stampede II?!?

Sometimes taking it too seriously can ruin some of the fun. Agreed with Spears & FTR. All boring/bland, but maybe with MJF it works.

[famicommander]

12 matches plus some more segments announced for Dark Elevation.

So they're not splitting Dark in half. They're doubling it.

[Reaper G]

Maki Itoh sucks.

MJF does not need a stable of garbage attached to him. FTR are the most overhyped tag team on the planet today, just because Jim Cornette used to like them. Boring, vanilla, not that good and never were.

Spears is hot garbage and Wardlow never actually does anything. Tully needs to go away too.

Is there anyone or anything you actually do like?