To be fair, Sin was actually an okay show, at least in comparison to the shit they'd been putting out post-Spring Stampede 99, which was arguably their last good PPV. Chavo/Helms for the Cruserweight title and the tag match between The Jung Dragons (Jimmy Yang and Kaz Hayashi) and Jamie Noble and Evan Karagias were both good matches. The Three-Way between Meng, Terry Funk, and Crowbar for The Hardcore Title was a fun garbage brawl as well. (At least until Meng showed up as a surprise entrant in The Royal Rumble a week later without ever losing the title, causing them to just scrap the championship in another classic "Lol WCW" moment.)supersonic wrote:Thanks to Jackanape on the F4W for finding these little gems.
There's some archived feedback from fans from WCW.com that you can dig up. Here's a snippet from very late in the life of WCW.
Sent: January 15, 2001 9:36 PM
Hey guys! I'm John from Orlando.
Gotta say got a little scared with the slow beginning tonight. Thought it was going a little long. but it turned out to be a very good beginning. I am seeing a lot of excitement from the guys. They are apparently jacked over the fact they have a leader to follow now. Nash looks like he wants to be involved now which it looked like he was just going threw the motions there for a while. I haven't seen him that INTENSE in quite a while. And the crowd seemed into it as well. Good going guys
So far you guys are doing well.
From: tawny bartley
Sent: January 15, 2001 11:59 PM
I'm glad to see that WCW is back to being cutting edge like it was when the NWO was creating havoc. The show tonight was probably one of the best I have seen in a long time. The only thing I'm pretty disappointed in is the fact that Goldberg is being forced to retire even if it is a storyline(?). He is one of the true superstars of WCW alongside Sting, Booker T, Kevin Nash along with all the others. I am not a big fan of Goldberg but he is still very popular with the fans and why lose fans without him being here.
Also, I noticed the events calendar does not list the house shows like it used to. Hey I need my fix of live wrestling, if you decide not to come back to Pittsburgh I guess I will have to jump ship and start watching WWF. I have been a loyal fan since the first house show I worked back in 1995.
Plus send my regards to Sid Vicious, he is a true star in this sport; and what happened to him was unbearable. I hope this does not hamper his desire or love for being a sports entertainer in the wrestling business. I hope things are going well for him. And I wish him well.
Sent: January 15, 2001 11:04 PM
Subject: The ppv
The Sin ppv was one of the best turning points I've ever seen in WCW. I was shoked when the Road Warrior Animal was the Mystery Partner. Monday Nitro was what it was suppose to be. I like the new alliances with Lugar, Bagwell, Jarret, the Road Warrior, and Steiner. I think that this Monday Nitro was the best I've ever seen. It even looked realistic. Excellent job WCW,
From: Nadine Wernham
Sent: January 14, 2001 11:11 PM
Subject: SIN AND WCW
"SIN" What a great ppv. who ever is doing the booking and to the creative team way to shock the wrestling world once again. Every one said it was Rick Steiner. But I said no, WCW will surprise us. Animal. Never saw it coming.You have a lot of talent in WCW and each week you can see them improving not only their wrestling skills but also their mic skills. SIN was great. Steiner is the flagship, CROWBAR is the best wrestler he should have the Hardcore title. I don't care what the WWF fans say WCW is the BEST wrestling organization in the world. I just found out that Bisholf has bought WCW, finally. I along with all my friends will continue to support you as long as you put great shows on. I would love to meet Crowbar. I have all the respect in the world for him and all the wrestlers. Thank you for taking the time to read this.
From: Shane F Peterson
Sent: January 15, 2001 12:00 AM
Subject: A very energetic SIN!
I must say that SIN ruled! Every match was enjoyable and the fans really seemed to be into all of the matches! I don't understand the ending to the main event for the World Heavy Weight title. When the Mystery man came into the ring why was Steiner able to pin Sid so easily after a couple of punches? Steiner could have pinned Sid before the Mystery man even came into the ring, I assume that WCW wanted to show that the Mystery man was affiliated with Steiner. None the less, the ending happened too quickly.
I like the potential of Perfectly Buff vs. the Insiders! This feud has the potential for many story lines in the future! It would have been nice if someone would have come out to assist the Insiders though.
The Shockberg, sorry Goldberg match - I must be having a tazer relapse, was quite interesting! I am eagerly awaiting the consequences on Nitro of the fan interference, though the match was no DQ. Getting rid of Goldberg now is not the way that WCW should go.
The cruiserweight matches were very exciting and energetic!
I think Shane Douglas has a great deal of potential as the U.S. Heavy weight champion! The question is...where is Franchise's next feud?
Basically all of the matches were spectacular. I hope that WCW keeps the matches exciting, energetic, and with intriguing story lines!!!
Sent: January 14, 2001 11:26 PM
SIN was outstanding from top to bottom. I couldn't believe it was Road Warrior Animal as the mystery man, I would have bet the house it was Rick Stiener or Sting. I also can't believe Goldberg is gone I was shocked on that one. Who was the punk kid with the can of mace? NBT really proved themselves against the Insiders although I hated to see Nash & DDP lose the belts. Meng the Hardcore Champion, nice to see him with a belt finally. Oh Canada!! On a scale of 1-10, I give this PPV a 9. What a way to start off 2K1 for WCW very positive note.
Sent: January 14, 2001 11:25 PM
Subject: Sin! What an event
They did it! TOtally Boff beat Goldberg! The silence of that crowd was priceless! What I would have given to be there in person. While everyone was so concerned that Sarge might cost Goldberg the match and Flair helps matters out with that no DQ rule, Totally Buff's plan worked with perfection! I'm glad that Goldberg went down to the Blockbuster. This will definately give Buff that main event push he needs, and as heel. I can't wait for their feud with the Insiders! Keep up the surprises!
(P.S. please turn Jarrett against Steiner! Jarrett could do wonders as a good guy!)
Sent: January 14, 2001 11:23 PM
Subject: great ppv
that was the best ppv ive seen in years and if that is what we will be seeing in the future, then wcw will be back on top. Every match was excellent but my favorite match was the jung dragons vs knoble and karagias because it was fast moving with lots of action. please let ohaire be a major heel. thanks richard
Sent: January 14, 2001 11:21 PM
Subject: WCW PPV
Best Match: All of them
Worst Match: None
Best Moment: ANIMAL
For a Die Hard WCW fan the PPV Ruled. The PPV had a rating of 10 until the ending of the Main Event on how Sid got pinned, so it was drop to a 5 but when the Mystery Man was Revealed I jump out of my seat and screamed Holy ****. And it got a 10. The PPV was great. I loved every match. The crowd was in every match and it made it more exciting. Cruiserweight Match was Great. Chavo is getting what he deserves. Dragons/North Carolina boys was great action for match that was made on the spot. Goldberg Streak thing over but can't wait to see what happens now. DOuglas/G.R. was great the Franchise is back and that's a Fact ********'s. Tag Title match was good maybe the Insiders will go there different ways. Reno/Vito was excellent. Title match was OK but mystery man was great. Penalty Box match was more then expected same can be said with Hard-core match. By the way Tony and Scott were great tonight on commentating. Bottom line is every superstar put into this night to show the new boss what they have and to me it looks as if WCW is starting the year of great.
From: Johnny Kyle
Sent: January 14, 2001 11:19 PM
Subject: WCW SIN
Dear WCW, I thought SIN was all around good from start to finish. The Crusierweight match was great. I think it will be just a matter of time before Shane Helms is the Cruisrweight Champion. I really enjoyed the Jung Dragons and Noble and Karagias tag match it was a very entertaining match with alot of high spots. The Penalty box match was alot better than I thought it would be. It turned out to be one of the best matches on the card. The match between The Cat and Mike Sanders was good but it could have been better. The Hardcore match was real good I really enjoyed it alot. It was one of the best hardcore matches I have ever seen. I am glad that Shane Douglas finally got what he deserved the United States title. The tag-team title match was not that good but it was ok. But I am glad to see the Thrillers with the gold once again. The match with Totally Buff against Sarge and Goldberg was good. I really enjoyed the ending where Buff did the blockbuster off of Luger's shoulders that was awesome and I am glad to see Goldberg finally gone from WCW. The Main Event was good but the Mystery Man could have been somebody else besides Road Warrior Animal. Somebody like Rob Van Dam. But over all it was a good pay-per-view to start the new year. I am looking foward to Nitro tommorrow night and Suberbrawl Revenge next month.
Sent: January 15, 2001 2:24 AM
Subject: The Goldberg Match at Sin
Okay I am sure you are gonna recieve a ton of mail about this match, but I needed to voice my opinion about what happened tonight to Goldberg at SIN..........
What in the world is going on here???? I might be the only one to say this but I strongly feel that Goldberg is WCW!!!
He is the only reason I watch wrestling, the man is awesome!!!!!
What is the likely hood that they will not count that match and they will have a rematch?? The man deserves a rematch....................
Please let Goldberg stay at WCW!!!
Sincerely, a dedicated goldberg fan
Sent: January 14, 2001 11:15 PM
Subject: Welcome Easy E
Hey my name is nathan and i just got done watching your ppv sin it was awesome indeed. i think eric will do a very great job for WCW and beat the WWF just do us all a favor and keep him for a long time. I thought maybe i would send a list of what superstars need to be gettin a push and some are franchise, Jarrett, NBT, Kronik, Luger and Buff, Storm, Awesome, Primetime, and most defiantly Pump!!!!! Why do you guys have Sid and Funk out there why isnt Goldberg fighting Steiner for the gold that would get ratings and rule big time thanks WCW keep Eric!!!!!
All wrestling outside of ROH discussion welcome here!
Pulled from the WrestleCrap forum
Say you're Eric Bischoff, it's late 1997, close to the new year, and you see the route the WWF is going: more violence, more sex, more profanity, more "adult" storylines. Since you can't match WWF in content due to Turner's Standards and Practices, how would you counter-program to the WWF? Do you do something new like a brand split of WCW and the NWO? Do you present a more professional sport-esque wrestling show? In the real-world Bischoff just kept bringing in former big stars and misusing the young talent he did have, so how would you avoid this by being different than the WWF?
I watched very little WCW after the beginning of 2000, but I seem to remember hearing that things actually seemed to be getting pretty good again in their last couple months, but it was too little, too late to save the company at that point.. anyone have any thoughts on that?
It was a perfect storm. All the mistakes became so glaring, most importantly reflecting in the finances, that when the corporate merger happened between AOL and Time Warner finally happened and Jamie Kellner took over Turner TV, WCW had zero leverage to be given another chance. When your company has just lost $62 million and is a niche product that draws low-income classes and gets poor ad rates, you deserve to be told to fuck off.BigTChamp wrote:I watched very little WCW after the beginning of 2000, but I seem to remember hearing that things actually seemed to be getting pretty good again in their last couple months, but it was too little, too late to save the company at that point.. anyone have any thoughts on that?
Again, I put the blame on WCW, not AOL-TW. Let's say Kellner still told WCW to fuck off if had been a profitable entity. Then at least WCW could've gotten a TV deal elsewhere because the brand would not have been so damaged in its reputation and finances.
Wasn't happy with how sloppy and barebones the existing list is, so here you go - http://meltzerstarratingsv2.blogspot.co ... tings.html
Awesome. Thanks for posting that. Some of those matches I completely forgot about. The sheer excellence of Ric Flair carrying Marcus Bagwell to a ***1/2 star as rated by Meltzer was worth the effort of looking at this list alone. Nice to see my guy Barry Windham represented in many *** ratings.supersonic wrote:Wasn't happy with how sloppy and barebones the existing list is, so here you go - http://meltzerstarratingsv2.blogspot.co ... tings.html
There was a ton of good in it, the farther back the better, I've recently gone on a spending splurge of the WWE best of's with the likes of Steamboat, Wargames, Clash of Champs, Starcade, etc. Most of them are well under $10 new, and usually have 5+ hours of matches and interviews.ShaunSperling wrote:Reading through this makes me want to revisit a lot of WCW.
Tonight it's Steamboat Youngblood vs Jack and Gerry and if I have time, the 2/3 fall Clash match between Flair and Steamboat.
WCW carried a heavy burden of having one the worst bookers of all time at the helm.boourns wrote:Loved WCW so much.
Eddie vs. Rey Mysterio from HH '97 is one of my top 3 matches ever.
I wish more indies guys took tips from this match on how and when to use high spots. They were so perfectly placed and timed in this match.
Thomas Couch, best known as Tommy Rogers from the 80s and 80s tag team of The Fantastics, passed away this morning in Honolulu, where he has been living since 2006.
Couch, who just turned 54, had been having legal troubles in recent years stemming from fighting. He was to be sentenced tomorrow over a fight with police officers and feared a long prison stay.
At this moment, the cause of circumstances of his death are pending. There was no note left, and according to one of his best friends, he had been in good spirits in recent days. He was found at about 3 a.m. by his roommate in a chair in front of a computer, gurgling. The roommate called 911, but he was unable to be revived.
Tommy Rogers always finished high in lists of the most underrated pro wrestler of the 80s and 90s. He was small, but was as solid a worker as there was in wrestling, with a great physique. He and tag team partner Bobby Fulton were best known for their matches with The Midnight Express and The Sheepherders that were among the best matches of the late 80s.
The team held the UWF and World Class world tag team titles as well as the NWA U.S. tag team titles.
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