UWN actually becoming a thing?

[famicommander]

For a long time the UWN was pretty much a joke. It was a loose affiliation of indies around the world that didn't really amount to much.

But recently Dave Marquez has taken a different approach. Now he owns all UWN promotions himself, and is doing it region by region.

He already has:
Championship Wrestling From Hollywood (500+ episodes)
Championship Wrestling From Arizona (recently on hiatus but returning to new content soon)
Championship Wrestling From Memphis (just recently launched as a local promotion, already on TV)

There are also regional variants where they have local presenters introduce CWFH matches like Championship Wrestilng Gulf Coast, etc. That is how both Championship Wrestling From Arizona and Championship Wrestling From Memphis started out before both started creating content locally. That's also what they did with Arizona during their COVID shutdown.

He Tweeted on Thursday that news on a UWN Georgia promotion would be coming soon. Presumably it will be called Championship Wrestling From Georgia or Championship Wrestling From Atlanta.

He has also claimed that UWN Primetime Live will be returning as the national face of the brand this summer, but for free because the paywall wasn't profitable (should be a red flag for NWA, which did not contact Marquez about returning to the promotion when they restarted):


And finally, he has claimed that yet another regional promotion will launch after the Georgia thing gets off the ground, before the end of 2021.

So if he delivers on all of his promises he'll have five regional television shows feeding talent to one national show. I guess it's cheaper to just start an indie in several separate markets than try to build a national brand from the ground up.

[NewROHFan2020]

For a long time the UWN was pretty much a joke. It was a loose affiliation of indies around the world that didn't really amount to much.

But recently Dave Marquez has taken a different approach. Now he owns all UWN promotions himself, and is doing it region by region.

He already has:
Championship Wrestling From Hollywood (500+ episodes)
Championship Wrestling From Arizona (recently on hiatus but returning to new content soon)
Championship Wrestling From Memphis (just recently launched as a local promotion, already on TV)

There are also regional variants where they have local presenters introduce CWFH matches like Championship Wrestilng Gulf Coast, etc. That is how both Championship Wrestling From Arizona and Championship Wrestling From Memphis started out before both started creating content locally. That's also what they did with Arizona during their COVID shutdown.

He Tweeted on Thursday that news on a UWN Georgia promotion would be coming soon. Presumably it will be called Championship Wrestling From Georgia or Championship Wrestling From Atlanta.

He has also claimed that UWN Primetime Live will be returning as the national face of the brand this summer, but for free because the paywall wasn't profitable (should be a red flag for NWA, which did not contact Marquez about returning to the promotion when they restarted):


And finally, he has claimed that yet another regional promotion will launch after the Georgia thing gets off the ground, before the end of 2021.

So if he delivers on all of his promises he'll have five regional television shows feeding talent to one national show. I guess it's cheaper to just start an indie in several separate markets than try to build a national brand from the ground up.

Can you name any of their champions? Does anyone really watch these promotions? Mike Bennett and Chris Dickinson are/were scheduled to battle for their World Title, both are “in” ROH now.

What Marquez is failing to take into consideration is, his first show had major technical problems and the main event was kind of short. You only have 1 chance to make a first impression and they failed, big time. I ordered the first show and didn’t order any more because of those issues and the fact that the talent just wasn’t there. Did he really expect people to pay $8 to see some no-name wrestlers wrestle every week? He was charging $32-40 a month for shows. NWA is charging $5 for a whole month. How many buys would he have had WITHOUT the NWA fans? Probably minuscule at best.

[famicommander]

For a long time the UWN was pretty much a joke. It was a loose affiliation of indies around the world that didn't really amount to much.

But recently Dave Marquez has taken a different approach. Now he owns all UWN promotions himself, and is doing it region by region.

He already has:
Championship Wrestling From Hollywood (500+ episodes)
Championship Wrestling From Arizona (recently on hiatus but returning to new content soon)
Championship Wrestling From Memphis (just recently launched as a local promotion, already on TV)

There are also regional variants where they have local presenters introduce CWFH matches like Championship Wrestilng Gulf Coast, etc. That is how both Championship Wrestling From Arizona and Championship Wrestling From Memphis started out before both started creating content locally. That's also what they did with Arizona during their COVID shutdown.

He Tweeted on Thursday that news on a UWN Georgia promotion would be coming soon. Presumably it will be called Championship Wrestling From Georgia or Championship Wrestling From Atlanta.

He has also claimed that UWN Primetime Live will be returning as the national face of the brand this summer, but for free because the paywall wasn't profitable (should be a red flag for NWA, which did not contact Marquez about returning to the promotion when they restarted):


And finally, he has claimed that yet another regional promotion will launch after the Georgia thing gets off the ground, before the end of 2021.

So if he delivers on all of his promises he'll have five regional television shows feeding talent to one national show. I guess it's cheaper to just start an indie in several separate markets than try to build a national brand from the ground up.

Can you name any of their champions? Does anyone really watch these promotions? Mike Bennett and Chris Dickinson are/were scheduled to battle for their World Title, both are “in” ROH now.

What Marquez is failing to take into consideration is, his first show had major technical problems and the main event was kind of short. You only have 1 chance to make a first impression and they failed, big time. I ordered the first show and didn’t order any more because of those issues and the fact that the talent just wasn’t there. Did he really expect people to pay $8 to see some no-name wrestlers wrestle every week? He was charging $32-40 a month for shows. NWA is charging $5 for a whole month. How many buys would he have had WITHOUT the NWA fans? Probably minuscule at best.

The NWA used the UWN as a crutch, not the other way around. CWFH is syndicated in a lot of markets:
https://www.hollywoodwrestling.com/television-schedule/

20 states, DC, Guam, Saipan, and Canada on television and online on Fite TV (for free), and Youtube. English and Spanish.

For them to get to 500 episodes and be on all those networks, of course somebody has to be watching. Marquez has to negotiate renewals every year or two with every one of those stations and the show keeps getting renewed and expanding.

Considering Dave Marquez has run a promotion successfully for over a decade and has just launched two more while Billy Corgan has failed massively so far with three different promotions, I'd tend to think Marquez knows what he's doing more than Corgan.

[NewROHFan2020]

So you can’t name any of the champions right?

Please link any financial records that prove that Marquez gets paid in those markets and not the other way around.

Anyone with a few bucks can launch a promotion. That means absolutely nothing. Whether or not they make money and are around a long time are another thing.

Again, he shit the bed with his first show and thought people would pay $32 a month to see nobodies. He can blame the paywall all he wants.

[famicommander]

So you can’t name any of the champions right?

Please link any financial records that prove that Marquez gets paid in those markets and not the other way around.

Anyone with a few bucks can launch a promotion. That means absolutely nothing. Whether or not they make money and are around a long time are another thing.

Again, he shit the bed with his first show and thought people would pay $32 a month to see nobodies. He can blame the paywall all he wants.

NWA charged fans 25 bucks for their first month and it was way, way less content. A two hour PPV and four one hour TV episodes for 25 bucks with UWN talent on the card like Clearwater and Slice Boogie and CWFH booker Aron Stevens.

And yes, I can name a CWFH champion. Danny Limelight is one half of their tag champions as he appears concurrently for AEW.

The CWFH crew and Marquez also produce NJPW Strong broadcasts.

CWFH has been going since 2010 and they've steadily expanded since then. Marquez is not even close to Billy Corgan rich. Corgan bought NWA in 2017 and the promotion has been shrinking since Powerrr debuted. They never reached anywhere close to that exposure again and now they're reduced to charging money on a platform that already airs CWFH for free.

[NewROHFan2020]

NWA is still a bigger brand and still charged less.

Wow, you can name one guy from all those promotions and only because he appears in the #2 organization in the country.

How many other promotions air their shows on FITE for free?

Show me the financials of CWFH. They have to be raking in the cash if they’re getting rights fees from 130 stations.

[NewROHFan2020]

CWFH airs on Saturday night/Sunday morning at 1am in LA. They’re a glorified wrestling infomercial.

[famicommander]

NWA is still a bigger brand and still charged less.

Wow, you can name one guy from all those promotions and only because he appears in the #2 organization in the country.

How many other promotions air their shows on FITE for free?

Show me the financials of CWFH. They have to be raking in the cash if they’re getting rights fees from 130 stations.

They're clearly running on a local syndication ad-split model. Which means that they're able to sell enough ads and the networks are able to sell enough ads to make it worth running the show. It's the exact same model as ROH except on a much smaller scale (and they don't own the networks they air on like ROH's parent company does). If NWA could do that they would.

If it weren't successful none of these outlets would renew the show and new outlets would stop taking it. And they certainly wouldn't have been able to launch spin-off promotions in Arizona, Memphis, and apparently soon Georgia.

We have ten years of evidence that shows CWFH is growing and successful. We have four years of evidence that NWA is shrinking and earlier evidence showing Corgan utterly failing with his indie promotion first and then TNA second.

Willing to bet whatever outlet Marquez secures for the return of Primetime Live will be more impressive than a paywalled Fite TV deal.

[NewROHFan2020]

Their Twitter bio lists the 1am showing, so that is what they’re most proud of. What time/days do they air in other markets?

Can you please list what other successful programs run at 1am on Satnight/Sunmorning?

[famicommander]

Their Twitter bio lists the 1am showing, so that is what they’re most proud of. What time/days do they air in other markets?

Can you please list what other successful programs run at 1am on Satnight/Sunmorning?

Ring of Honor Wrestling, for one.

All of Adult Swim.

ECW Hardcore TV back in the day.

[NewROHFan2020]

“What you missed on NWA Powerrr” from 4 days ago has 19k views on YouTube.

All the recent CWFH episodes have around 3k views. I guess everyone watches them at inconvenient times live on regular TV instead of on demand on YouTube right?

[NewROHFan2020]

Their Twitter bio lists the 1am showing, so that is what they’re most proud of. What time/days do they air in other markets?

Can you please list what other successful programs run at 1am on Satnight/Sunmorning?

Ring of Honor Wrestling, for one.

All of Adult Swim.

ECW Hardcore TV back in the day.

Adult Swim? Where they re-run already successful programs and stoner shows?

Does CWFH feature sexual content, violence, and unlicensed popular music like ECW did?

How many stations run ROH at 1am? What are the ratings for those shows?

You speak of stuff as fact, but don’t have proof. Only your own perception based on your hatred of the NWA.

[famicommander]

Their Twitter bio lists the 1am showing, so that is what they’re most proud of. What time/days do they air in other markets?

Can you please list what other successful programs run at 1am on Satnight/Sunmorning?

Ring of Honor Wrestling, for one.

All of Adult Swim.

ECW Hardcore TV back in the day.

Adult Swim? Where they re-run already successful programs and stoner shows?

Does CWFH feature sexual content, violence, and unlicensed popular music like ECW did?

How many stations run ROH at 1am? What are the ratings for those shows?

You speak of stuff as fact, but don’t have proof. Only your own perception based on your hatred of the NWA.

Adult Swim has original programming including some of the top shows on all of cable like Rick and Morty.

We literally just went through this with ROH where people on this site were all thinking they were drawing sub-Impact numbers until Koff dropped those figures last week.

NWA goes from having their show on Youtube+Fite for free and having their talent pop up on ROH and CWFH TV to just being on Fite behind a paywall and you praise their growth. CWFH goes from a singular local broadcaster to over a hundred stations and you don't believe they're growing.

You have no grasp of the obvious.

[famicommander]

Let's ask 2017 Billy Corgan

Corgan explained that he would rather have 300,000 people watching the NWA for free than 4,000 people watching behind a pay wall.

“Not everyone would agree with that, because they’ll say you are going to run out of money, but I disagree,” said Corgan. “You need to be able to command an audience in this changing television culture.”

https://www.si.com/wrestling/2017/10/02 ... ebrand-nwa

Hahahaha

Would rather have 300,000 watching for free than 4,000 behind a paywall. Instead traded sub-200,000 by the last Youtube Powerrr for probably far less than 4,000 behind a paywall. What fabulous growth they've exhibited! Billy clearly knows what he's doing. Set a target, made a favorable comparison to an imaginary alternative, failed to reach his target, probably accepted far less than his imagined lesser alternative.

EDIT:
also according to this:
https://www.fite.tv/join/

You only get three episodes of Powerrr per month. They can't even be a weekly show.

[NewROHFan2020]

Let's ask 2017 Billy Corgan

Corgan explained that he would rather have 300,000 people watching the NWA for free than 4,000 people watching behind a pay wall.

“Not everyone would agree with that, because they’ll say you are going to run out of money, but I disagree,” said Corgan. “You need to be able to command an audience in this changing television culture.”

https://www.si.com/wrestling/2017/10/02 ... ebrand-nwa

Hahahaha

Would rather have 300,000 watching for free than 4,000 behind a paywall. Instead traded sub-200,000 by the last Youtube Powerrr for probably far less than 4,000 behind a paywall. What fabulous growth they've exhibited! Billy clearly knows what he's doing. Set a target, made a favorable comparison to an imaginary alternative, failed to reach his target, probably accepted far less than his imagined lesser alternative.

EDIT:
also according to this:
https://www.fite.tv/join/

You only get three episodes of Powerrr per month. They can't even be a weekly show.

I never talked about growth. Way to bring up an article from 3 and half years ago. NWA is way more people by every metric than MLW and CWFH. You can be on 100,000 stations, if nobody watches it, it’s irrelevant. Nothing is more irrelevant than CWFH.

I will see if they’re skipping a week. $5 a month is still better than $8 a week for UWN.

[famicommander]

NWA is lucky if the number of subscribers they have has four digits at this point.

[NewROHFan2020]

NWA is lucky if the number of subscribers they have has four digits at this point.

CWFH is lucky to get 4 digits viewers on YouTube, for free.

[famicommander]

NWA is lucky if the number of subscribers they have has four digits at this point.

CWFH is lucky to get 4 digits viewers on YouTube, for free.

That's okay because they have, you know, over 130 outlets willing to put them on television. Compared to the ZERO wiling to put NWA on television.

Face it, the NWA has failed according to the guidelines Billy himself set forth when he bought it. He even said people told him his business plan wouldn't work, then he ignored them, then his business plan failed, then he ended up falling back on something that was worse than the imaginary scenario he created as a comparison to what he intended to do.

This is Billy's history in wrestling. He lies, under-delivers, gets praised by idiots, rinse and repeat.

He told those guys at Revolution Pro he'd gotten them a TV deal at AMC. Never happened, then he bailed on them.

He said he'd buy TNA and return it to a position of prominence. Not only did he fail to buy it, but it's obvious he never had the money to make it a major thing to begin with. If he had bought TNA the company would he bankrupt by now, he'd be bankrupt by now, or both.

He said he'd have the NWA touring and on television by now, but he doesn't. He said he'd rather have it widely available for free than on a paywall until he tried it and failed miserably. Now he's on a paywall.

He consistently fails on the things he himself says he wants to do and nobody holds him accountable. They just keep saying how great and innovative the studio format that Marquez has been using more successfully for much longer is.

[Montana]

NWA is still a bigger brand and still charged less.

Wow, you can name one guy from all those promotions and only because he appears in the #2 organization in the country.

How many other promotions air their shows on FITE for free?

Show me the financials of CWFH. They have to be raking in the cash if they’re getting rights fees from 130 stations.

While i agree, that CWFH; is a glorified local wrestling show, with local talent, they've had a handful of "Names" in the wrestling business pass through.

Bateman, Scorpio Sky, Peter Avalon, Ryan Taylor, Nick Aldis, Rocky Romero, some of the NWA guys. I image some of their womens wrestlers will make some waves in the upcoming years too.

While it's still a small effort; there might be a few diamonds in the rough.

[famicommander]

CWFH had pretty much the entire west coast indie scene at one point or another.

Brian Cage, The Young Bucks, Colt Cabana, Rocky Romero, Scorpio Sky, Eli Drake, Austin Aries, Bryan Danielson, Adam Pearce, Joey Ryan, Willie Mack, Ricky Mandel, Peter Avalon, Famous B, Timothy Thatcher, Brandon Cutler, Eric Watts, Uno and Grayson, Candice LaRae, Bateman, Hammerstone, Brody King, MJF, Reno Scum, Chris Bey, Joey Janela, etc.