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Shanahan wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:45 pm

NewROHFan2020 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 5:47 pm

famicommander wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:33 pm

You seem to have forgotten that their TV and Youtube viewership completely cratered during this storyline.

Unfortunately there’s no way to definitively tell its because of this storyline or something else. Only 24/7 dirt sheet lovers can debate on it.

So AEW is the hottest wrestling company in the world,the clear #2 & it's biggest star couldn't boost the ratings??? Hmmmmmmmmm

Is Omega it’s biggest star? That’s debatable

NewROHFan2020 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:47 am

Shanahan wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:45 pm

NewROHFan2020 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 5:47 pm

Unfortunately there’s no way to definitively tell its because of this storyline or something else. Only 24/7 dirt sheet lovers can debate on it.

So AEW is the hottest wrestling company in the world,the clear #2 & it's biggest star couldn't boost the ratings??? Hmmmmmmmmm

Is Omega it’s biggest star? That’s debatable

I think we can all agree that at worst Omega would be top 5.

NewROHFan2020 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:47 am

Shanahan wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:45 pm

NewROHFan2020 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 5:47 pm

Unfortunately there’s no way to definitively tell its because of this storyline or something else. Only 24/7 dirt sheet lovers can debate on it.

So AEW is the hottest wrestling company in the world,the clear #2 & it's biggest star couldn't boost the ratings??? Hmmmmmmmmm

Is Omega it’s biggest star? That’s debatable

OK...he's number 2 behind Jericho. Please dont tell me Miro,Christian or Big Show are bigger.

Shanahan wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 5:00 pm

NewROHFan2020 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:47 am

Shanahan wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:45 pm

So AEW is the hottest wrestling company in the world,the clear #2 & it's biggest star couldn't boost the ratings??? Hmmmmmmmmm

Is Omega it’s biggest star? That’s debatable

OK...he's number 2 behind Jericho. Please dont tell me Miro,Christian or Big Show are bigger.

Cody? What has Omega drawn in the US? He didn’t even wrestle full time for ROH. Very few wrestling fans watch NJPW. The husband with the 10 year old son is buying tickets to see WWE guys, not guys wrestling at 3am in Japanese. You could argue that Christian, Miro, Big Show, and Cody are “bigger stars”.

Just because Omega is considered a “good wrestler” doesn’t mean he’s a big draw to the average fan. Some of you think that everyone watches everything and it’s simply not the case.

NewROHFan2020 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 8:45 am

Shanahan wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 5:00 pm

NewROHFan2020 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:47 am

Is Omega it’s biggest star? That’s debatable

OK...he's number 2 behind Jericho. Please dont tell me Miro,Christian or Big Show are bigger.

Cody? What has Omega drawn in the US? He didn’t even wrestle full time for ROH. Very few wrestling fans watch NJPW. The husband with the 10 year old son is buying tickets to see WWE guys, not guys wrestling at 3am in Japanese. You could argue that Christian, Miro, Big Show, and Cody are “bigger stars”.

Just because Omega is considered a “good wrestler” doesn’t mean he’s a big draw to the average fan. Some of you think that everyone watches everything and it’s simply not the case.

We are talking about AEW guys appearing on Impact. We are talking hardcore AEW fans tuning into Impact to see Omega. Omega is a top draw for AEW fans. That's what Impact was hoping for. Impact can't draw in casual's. The man with his 10 year old son isn't searching their guide to find what channel Impact is on but the nerdy AEW marks who write fan fiction do but for some reason they aren't tuning in and hardcore Impact fans tuned out. We are all trying to figure this out.

@indyfan

I don't know if my reply to your PM went through, the message seems to be stuck in my Outbox, but here is the information you asked me for

January-February: 197,000 high, 147,000 low, 167,250 average
March-April: 168,000 high, 116,000 low, 139,279 average
May-June: 143,000 high, 109,000 low, 121,625 average
July-August: 122,000 high, 69,000 low, 105,714 average

If you take the January-February numbers and compare them to the July-August numbers, that's a drop of roughly 37%

In 2020 they averaged over 40 million Youtube views per month, in 2021 under 25 million, for a drop of roughly 39%.

Viewership numbers are taken from here:
https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2021/ ... arly-june/

Youtube from here:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1418629567573598210

Shanahan wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 10:05 am

NewROHFan2020 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 8:45 am

Shanahan wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 5:00 pm

OK...he's number 2 behind Jericho. Please dont tell me Miro,Christian or Big Show are bigger.

Cody? What has Omega drawn in the US? He didn’t even wrestle full time for ROH. Very few wrestling fans watch NJPW. The husband with the 10 year old son is buying tickets to see WWE guys, not guys wrestling at 3am in Japanese. You could argue that Christian, Miro, Big Show, and Cody are “bigger stars”.

Just because Omega is considered a “good wrestler” doesn’t mean he’s a big draw to the average fan. Some of you think that everyone watches everything and it’s simply not the case.

We are talking about AEW guys appearing on Impact. We are talking hardcore AEW fans tuning into Impact to see Omega. Omega is a top draw for AEW fans. That's what Impact was hoping for. Impact can't draw in casual's. The man with his 10 year old son isn't searching their guide to find what channel Impact is on but the nerdy AEW marks who write fan fiction do but for some reason they aren't tuning in and hardcore Impact fans tuned out. We are all trying to figure this out.

Maybe they do not want to see him on Impact, don’t have the channel, watch it via other means, could be any reason. Maybe Impact dropped viewers because of Omega, or all the things I listened. It’s not black and white. Just like when people blame Kevin Nash and Bret Hart for being the “lowest drawing champions” or whatever.

Unless you have a breakdown of certain data points, it’s all just speculation.

famicommander wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:50 am @indyfan

I don't know if my reply to your PM went through, the message seems to be stuck in my Outbox, but here is the information you asked me for

January-February: 197,000 high, 147,000 low, 167,250 average
March-April: 168,000 high, 116,000 low, 139,279 average
May-June: 143,000 high, 109,000 low, 121,625 average
July-August: 122,000 high, 69,000 low, 105,714 average

If you take the January-February numbers and compare them to the July-August numbers, that's a drop of roughly 37%

In 2020 they averaged over 40 million Youtube views per month, in 2021 under 25 million, for a drop of roughly 39%.

Viewership numbers are taken from here:
https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2021/ ... arly-june/

Youtube from here:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1418629567573598210

Thanks man!!!!

98,000 this week for Impact. Down 28,000 from last week.

The trend of a drop after Impact Plus or PPV shows continues

Pre-Hardcore Justice: 168,000
Post-Hardcore Justice: 132,000

Pre-Rebellion: 145,000
Post-Rebellion: 120,000

Pre-Under Siege: 112,000
Post-Under Siege: 109,000

Pre-Against All Odds: 124,000
Post-Against All Odds: 111,000

Pre-Slammiversary: 109,000
Post-Slammiversary: 104,000

Pre-Homecoming: 113,000
Post-Homecoming: 104,000

Pre-Emergence: 126,000
Post-Emergence: 98,000

The last time they gained viewers coming out of a premium show was in March when they added 2,000 viewers after Sacrifice.

Now that August episodes are done with:
January-February: 197,000 high, 147,000 low, 167,250 average
March-April: 168,000 high, 116,000 low, 139,279 average
May-June: 143,000 high, 109,000 low, 121,625 average
July-August: 126,000 high, 69,000 low, 107,111 average

Absolutely gutted to hear about Daffney today.

Yikes.

Bad concept, bad name, bad title design. Trifecta of stupid.

famicommander wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 6:21 pm

Yikes.

Bad concept, bad name, bad title design. Trifecta of stupid.

I'm a few weeks behind on Impact. Is this supposed to be a modern conceit of a tv title?

kovs27 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:21 am

famicommander wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 6:21 pm

Yikes.

Bad concept, bad name, bad title design. Trifecta of stupid.

I'm a few weeks behind on Impact. Is this supposed to be a modern conceit of a tv title?

Something like that I guess. I didn't see the show, just caught a quick clip and that screen shot.

Shitting on it with no context just because he doesn’t like Impact.

NewROHFan2020 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:43 am Shitting on it with no context just because he doesn’t like Impact.

The context made it even worse than I thought.

This is a ridiculously, absurdly stupid title. This is almost as dumb as the Billy Corgan Stupid Rules Grand Championship.

Well, I think we know why Impact has backed away from Twitch in favor of the Youtube subscription thing.

Their Twitch revenue total from September 2019 through September 2021 was revealed in the recent leak and it was under $70,000. Even at a buck a piece they'd only need a few thousand subscribers to top their Twitch revenue.

I've kinda quietly been enjoying impact more lately now; than in several years past. It's not great' and i still prefer ROH, AEW; and even WWE... BUT I'm liking a few things happening in Impact. (Yes, there is lots to dislike in the past year; specifically Omega coming in; and basically Moose & RIch Swann being screwed)


The Good
- Christian Cage - Think he could be a great leader for the company. Has quite a history there; and IF booked right; could be a huge asset. Guess we'll see soon enough if he's sticking around.
- Josh Alexander - Been solid in the ring all year.
- Women's division has been solid all year
- Using NJPW guys, EL P, FinJuice , Hikuleo
- Chris Bey - has been a really good signing for them.
- Trey Miguel - I thought they'd really rocket him up the card; but he's been good in the ring for them.
- Bryan Myers/Cardonna/Heath/Morrisey
- Chris Sabin - Nice to see him back with a little push.

The OK
- Ace Austin - he's lost some traction.
- Moose - Poor Moose
- Eddie Edwards - Still playing that veteran gatekeeper role.
- Sami Callahan & Eric Young - They are basically the same still right?

The Bad
- Good Brothers / tag division. The good brothers make me want to turn out.
- Their weird backstage segments. I always fast forward. Swinger was funny at first to me; but now he's over stayed his welcome



Long story short... spending lots of money, improves your product. They've got some good wrestlers; and now just need some compelling storylines/angles to make some stars.

Tried watching it..had to turn it off.
When the opening segment is #1 contender tag team match & it's Bullet Club vs. Chaos to challenge the Champs who are (Former?) Bullet Club . . . There is a serious problem. Example of Relying on the forbidden door too much.
Then the digital Championship match is some intergender 3way tornado tag match??? too complicated. Too contrived.
Had to switch to NFL & dark side of the ring.

Was interested in seeing how the tag team formerly known as the iiconics was going to be presented.

Maybe I'll try watching next week ... maybe not.

tigermask7.0 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:25 am Tried watching it..had to turn it off.
When the opening segment is #1 contender tag team match & it's Bullet Club vs. Chaos to challenge the Champs who are (Former?) Bullet Club . . . There is a serious problem. Example of Relying on the forbidden door too much.
Then the digital Championship match is some intergender 3way tornado tag match??? too complicated. Too contrived.
Had to switch to NFL & dark side of the ring.

Was interested in seeing how the tag team formerly known as the iiconics was going to be presented.

Maybe I'll try watching next week ... maybe not.

P.S. I enjoyed the Josh Alexander promo video. That was well done. And I did want to see Mickie James wrestle, but my time & patience ran out...

tigermask7.0 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:44 am

tigermask7.0 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:25 am Tried watching it..had to turn it off.
When the opening segment is #1 contender tag team match & it's Bullet Club vs. Chaos to challenge the Champs who are (Former?) Bullet Club . . . There is a serious problem. Example of Relying on the forbidden door too much.
Then the digital Championship match is some intergender 3way tornado tag match??? too complicated. Too contrived.
Had to switch to NFL & dark side of the ring.

Was interested in seeing how the tag team formerly known as the iiconics was going to be presented.

Maybe I'll try watching next week ... maybe not.

P.S. I enjoyed the Josh Alexander promo video. That was well done. And I did want to see Mickie James wrestle, but my time & patience ran out...

Impact loves to fall into the habit of saying " we have this star that was important in this other company." They have done this with Omega, Good Brothers, FinJuice anyone in Bullet Club in the past year. It's been an issue long before that but is really showing during this time frame. The former Iiconics are the latest in that trend.